1861 Confederate Half Dollar - Real or Fake?

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  1. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Definitely post pictures. There is no chance it is an original, they are all accounted for. It could be one of the early restrikes made from an original US coin, but much more likely just a modern reproduction. As stated, post some pictures for more information.
     
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  3. Michele A Keeling

    Michele A Keeling New Member

    I also have a 1861 half dollar that does not stick to a magnet is mine real it weighs 12.5 grams
     

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  4. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Walmart Spender ?.....LOL
     
  5. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    No, it is not real. Souvenir type replica.
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Read the link in post #4 and you will understand that what you have is a copy.
     
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  7. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    See the previous short replies #4 and #10. The story of the Confederate Half Dollar is very well known in US numismatics. Four were made. All have been accounted for.
    See here from Heritage: https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6237/newman-ix-realized/
    "It is graded NGC PF 40 and was previously owned by collectors Waldo Newcomer and “Col.” E.H.R. Green.

    Two other Confederate Half Dollars have been sold recently: one graded NGC PF 30 and pedigreed to the Partrick Collection was sold by Heritage for $881,250 in January 2015. Another, graded NGC PF 40, was sold by Stack’s Bowers in March 2015 for $646,250.

    The remaining specimen is in the collection of the American Numismatic Society."
     
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  8. Taylor Patterson

    Taylor Patterson New Member

    I found this 1861 half dollar not sure it's real. It doesnt stick to anything magnetic. It ways 6g and is really shiny. Any suggestions? Unfortunately I dont have any pictures not sure how to upload one
     
  9. Taylor Patterson

    Taylor Patterson New Member

    Can you tell me if this is real or fake. Not magnetic and weighs .4 oz
     

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  10. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    It is a fake. Go to Post #26 just above and follow the link from NGC. Yours does not look like that. Compare the stars around Miss Liberty. Yours are 6-petalled flowers with an open center. The genuine coin has 6-pointed stars with complete rays, no hole in the center.

    Sorry. Read the stories. All four are accounted for.
     
  11. Ericarose23

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  12. CamaroDMD

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  13. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    (Some here can correct my details, as I work from memory on the facts about the populations of the coins.)

    First, all five of the genuine Confederate Half Dollars are known and accounted for. All of the known Confederate 1-cent coins are also accounted for, I believe that it was 12 patterns by a New York City firm and 20 made much later from repaired dies. So, a new discovery coin would be like discovering a hidden President between Lincoln and Johnson.

    If you look at the coins in your pocket and compare them to this coin, you will see the difference between a machine struck coin and a cast copy. Machine struck coins are smooth, even, bright when new. Yours is rough and grainy. It looks like it was made in a sand mold - fine sand mixed with oil - which is why it is grainy.

    There are many other details that others will spot right away. It is why CamaroDMD was so quick and curt.
     
  14. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Supporter! Supporter

    Funny how this thread keeps getting resurrected every few years.
     
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  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I'll try to clear this up a bit.

    Here is one of the Scott Restrike Confederate half dollars. The mintage was supposed to be 500. There is something less than 400 pieces today. These were made by taking 500, 1861-O half dollars, smoothing the reverse and striking it with the original Confederate Half Dollar die.

    1861 Confed Rest All.jpg

    Here is one of the original 1861 Confederate Half Dollars. No, I don't own it. I wish I did. I think that this is the one that was taken from Jefferson Davis. It was the center of a long court battle after a dealer bought it from someone as "normal" restrike piece. Note the lack of die rust on the reverse, and the obverse is not flattened.

    1861 Confed half Org All.jpg

    And here is a run of the mill 1861-O half dollar.

    1861-O Half Dollar All.jpg

    The pieces that were thought to be struck by the Confederate Government at the seized New Orleans Mint have a tiny die crack on the obverse in front of Ms. Liberty's face.

    1861-O Confed half dol O break.jpg
     
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  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    FOUR original half dollars, 12 original cents. First restrikes, 55 in copper, 12 in silver, 7 in gold. Second restrike (by Bashlow) Bronze 20K, Silver 5K, Goldine 5K, 50 each in aluminum, tin, zinc, nickel silver, and red fiber, 3 struck in gold and 3 in platinum.

    The Confederates used this die with the regular Union rev both before and after the die cracked, They also used other obverses as well in a total of six different die marriages.
     
  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Lets see:

    06/28/09 OP
    12/04/17
    10/20/18
    02/19/19
    09/15/21

    Each date is a new post asking the same question.

    Cain't anyone here read?
     
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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Nah they just do a search, find a thread on the subject and post their question, they don't bother with READING.
     
  19. Mannie gray

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  20. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    My example; no question what it is:D...

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