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<p>[QUOTE="900fine, post: 1034898, member: 6036"]Interesting ! That suggests they used a different reverse die simply because they were using a different metal planchet ! Why in the world would they do that ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Alternately, they used the same dies but the made the rare copper ones first, made only a few, did some die filing, then struck the common Cu-Ni pieces. In that case, it is not a die <i>marriage </i>issue, it's a die <i>state </i>issue. That seems more plausible.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another possibility is they struck business strikes from one die, but proofs from different dies, and used the same dies for the rare copper strike.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any event, the Judd pattern book should have mentioned the whole business strike vs. proof thing, but they didn't.</p><p><br /></p><p>Any other theories ? Any other facts come to light regarding die diagnostics which discern the two ? </p><p><br /></p><p>We've heard back from pattern expert Andy Lustig who mentioned only color as discerning factor; he didn't mention any die diagnostics.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="900fine, post: 1034898, member: 6036"]Interesting ! That suggests they used a different reverse die simply because they were using a different metal planchet ! Why in the world would they do that ? Alternately, they used the same dies but the made the rare copper ones first, made only a few, did some die filing, then struck the common Cu-Ni pieces. In that case, it is not a die [I]marriage [/I]issue, it's a die [I]state [/I]issue. That seems more plausible. Another possibility is they struck business strikes from one die, but proofs from different dies, and used the same dies for the rare copper strike. In any event, the Judd pattern book should have mentioned the whole business strike vs. proof thing, but they didn't. Any other theories ? Any other facts come to light regarding die diagnostics which discern the two ? We've heard back from pattern expert Andy Lustig who mentioned only color as discerning factor; he didn't mention any die diagnostics.[/QUOTE]
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