1853 Rays & Arrows Half - Your Judgment Please

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  1. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I very much dislike purchasing raw coins from a person that I do not know using photographs. My eyes tend to play tricks on me. I am biased because I love white coins and I need some neutral opinions here please.

    Does the area to the right of Lady Liberty scream out that she has been harshly cleaned to you?

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  3. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Not just cleaned but highly polished.


    PASS!
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    The whole coin was cleaned at a minimum, with the area you are referring to scrubbed and polished. That is at a minimum, and @okbustchaser very well could be right the whole thing is polished.

    Its unfortunate, but we do not know the circumstances here. Maybe it had terminal black toning, and this was done because it was the only way to save the coin. I have harshly cleaned before terminal coins to save them. Some were beyond saving, (already corroded), and others turned out like this. Better this than letting it rot away completely. If I am right, its not the person who did this who is to blame, but the person who allowed the out of control toning to happen.
     
  5. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah.... The price point was just too good and I didn't want to acknowledge the obvious.... Thanks Fellows.
     
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  6. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated Supporter

    Nothing of substance to add to the above comments but as the old adage goes, a 168-year-old silver piece isn't going to be blast white.

    That being said, it's otherwise a pretty coin.
     
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  7. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Sorry Randy, but it almost looks like a proof coin...
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    She still looks beautiful.
     
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  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah.... She does.... I have a beautiful rays & arrows half calling to me from somewhere. I own several, but I want one.... No, I NEED one that is more like my avatar half.
     
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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I have a pretty worn one that I traded a few "W" quarters for at the last Baltimore Whitman show. One of my favorite US designs.
     
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  11. Randy Abercrombie

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    It's a sin that the mint only used the arrows and rays design one year. I understand why they did it.... But danged if it didn't make for one handsome coin.
     
  12. Randy Abercrombie

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    Well crud..... I guess that EBay dealers know when you look at their coins. I just got an email offering me $40.00 off the cost of the coin. Danged digital footprints!!
     
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  13. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I agree with the comments. Even though it looks cleaned and polished, it's still a pretty coin.
     
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  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Did you have it on a watch list?
     
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  15. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Yes
     
  16. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That's why :)
     
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  17. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    IMO Randy, walk away and don't look back. I thought I read something about a new dipping/cleaning process that doesn't cause pitting. I think it is called "feather touch" or something like that.
     
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  18. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    On the photos shown, magnification does not seem to be a white coin. I detect toning, and a lot of toning, on the obverse and reverse. Was it cleaned at one time or another? Of course. increasing the magnification in the area you referred to, shows the same consistency and depth of toning. It appears to be a nice circulated piece, and I like the die crack and the shield anomaly.

    There is another reason I like it, but that is not important.
    What is the ask?
     
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  19. Randy Abercrombie

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    $400.00.... That is too good a number for a problem free coin.
     
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  21. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Considering its book value, if it isn't slabbed, I'm not interested.
     
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