1853 o Half Dime RPM ? or MD ?

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Is this 1853 O H-10 an RPM or is it MD?

  1. Yes it is an RPM

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  2. No it is not ,it is Machine doubling

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  1. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    If you go onto Varietyvista.com besides the series there is a type coin section many never pay attention to....it list some varieties other than modern coinage.
    One item it list is an 1853 O half dime as a possible over mint mark. Dr Wiles asked for specimens to photograph and study.... I ran across this 1853 O in my collection of half dimes......what say you? Md. or RPM ?
    Please feel free to state your reasons... you'll also notice that I've included some images of the date as well... you may wish to post your thoughts on that also....
    After some post I will post another 53 O H-10 from a different die marriage, and give you the number of dies used to mint the run of 2,200,000 < 1853 > half dimes.
    there were also 160,000 no Arrows H-10 minted in New Orleans in 1853 .
    Oh btw tnis date is known for both med and lg. O mint marks....that said could an omm be a possibility?

    1853 O -0 mm.jpg 1853 o -o mm 2.jpg 1853 o date repunched.jpg

    http://varietyvista.com/19th Century & Misc Varieties.htm
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2018
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  3. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I would have said RPM based upon the second photo, but with the first, it seems more like "noise" in the photo itself. I'd say it's wear or whatever you want to call it.
     
  4. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    It looks like the RPM to me. I have a tough time matching to a lot of varietyvista images though.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't think it is a RPM.
     
  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    To me, it's the wrong size to be an RPM. What appears to be an underlying O would have to be half the size of the actual O. So my money would be on something else, like die deterioration of some sort or machine doubling.
     
  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    The mintmark would be restruck with the same punch, so if a part of the "O" peaked out above, there should be a corresponding crescent of the lower inside of the "O" showing also, and there isn't , so I would say no to second mint mark. I suspect it is deterioration of the mm punch. Jim
     
  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    1853 O had 18 obv. Working dies and 8 rev.dies. 2 sizes of mint marks...medium and large.
     
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