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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 2660242, member: 66"]I've been looking at the images of N-1, 23, and 30 from the Dan Holmes sale and they are definitely all the same obv, but I can't make sense out of the die stages of the obverse to establish an emission sequence. OK this is as close as I can get , it looks like N-30 came first then N-1 and finally N-23</p><p><br /></p><p>Diagnostics for the obv die. (You may have to enlarge the images to see these clearly.) Most noticeable are heavy die lines running up to the right through the curls behind the head. There are other dies that have die lines in this area but most are not as heavy and they run at a different angle. There are two strong die lines coming up from the denticals between stars 1 and 2. Just to the left of the point on star 13 that points to the denticals there is a small die gouge.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is N-30</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171371.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is an early die stage of N-1, all the diagnostics are still present and strong.</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171318.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now it starts to get interesting.</p><p>This is a mid stage of N-1. All the lines and the die gouge by star 13 are all still clearly present but there have been many rim cuds develop around the top half of the obverse.</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171319.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Apparently the obv die was then taken out and the edge of the die was dressed to turn the rim cuds into a secondary rim. It was then used to strike N-23. This is a mid stage of N-23, notice all the lines and the die gouge are still present but weaker, and the die fields are showing the evidence of heavy die wear.</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171358.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a late stage of N-23. The die has now been lapped. The die gouge is gone and there are only the faintest traces of the lines at stars 1 and 2. The lines behind the head are still present but very weak showing best by the curls behind the neck.</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171359.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Finally the obv was remarried to create the late stage of N-1. Only the lines behind the head remain. The lines seem to be a little stronger than on the late stage of N-23. It is possible there were two remarriages N-1, then 23, then 1 and then 23 again because the late stage of 23 looks later then the late stage of 1.</p><p><img src="http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171320.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now we'll look at the reverses in the next post.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 2660242, member: 66"]I've been looking at the images of N-1, 23, and 30 from the Dan Holmes sale and they are definitely all the same obv, but I can't make sense out of the die stages of the obverse to establish an emission sequence. OK this is as close as I can get , it looks like N-30 came first then N-1 and finally N-23 Diagnostics for the obv die. (You may have to enlarge the images to see these clearly.) Most noticeable are heavy die lines running up to the right through the curls behind the head. There are other dies that have die lines in this area but most are not as heavy and they run at a different angle. There are two strong die lines coming up from the denticals between stars 1 and 2. Just to the left of the point on star 13 that points to the denticals there is a small die gouge. This is N-30 [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171371.jpg[/img] This is an early die stage of N-1, all the diagnostics are still present and strong. [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171318.jpg[/img] Now it starts to get interesting. This is a mid stage of N-1. All the lines and the die gouge by star 13 are all still clearly present but there have been many rim cuds develop around the top half of the obverse. [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171319.jpg[/img] Apparently the obv die was then taken out and the edge of the die was dressed to turn the rim cuds into a secondary rim. It was then used to strike N-23. This is a mid stage of N-23, notice all the lines and the die gouge are still present but weaker, and the die fields are showing the evidence of heavy die wear. [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171358.jpg[/img] Here is a late stage of N-23. The die has now been lapped. The die gouge is gone and there are only the faintest traces of the lines at stars 1 and 2. The lines behind the head are still present but very weak showing best by the curls behind the neck. [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171359.jpg[/img] Finally the obv was remarried to create the late stage of N-1. Only the lines behind the head remain. The lines seem to be a little stronger than on the late stage of N-23. It is possible there were two remarriages N-1, then 23, then 1 and then 23 again because the late stage of 23 looks later then the late stage of 1. [img]http://64.60.141.195/photos/62jpegs/171320.jpg[/img] Now we'll look at the reverses in the next post.[/QUOTE]
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