1845 Seated Liberty Dollar with error

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Dos Mundos, Aug 20, 2005.

  1. Dos Mundos

    Dos Mundos Junior Member

    Hello guys, this is my first post in this forum. I am from the Philippines and I usually collect Spanish crowns and minors, Spanish-Philippines and US-Philippine coins but in coin hunts I sometimes come across some interesting U.S. Coins here and this has made me interested enough to collect them too. :)

    This is a recent find and I would like to know what you think of it as well as give an approximation of its worth. I have all those big coin catalogs but have no idea on this one as it has an error on it. Can you also speculate on how this error came about.

    Reverse

    Take note of the word "UNITED"
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    Obverse

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    Thanks for any input :)
     
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  3. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It's a counterfeit. I own an identical coin.
     
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  4. Dos Mundos

    Dos Mundos Junior Member

    Really?, with the same error? they're not that good are they :D Do you have a picture of it? This coin travelled a long distance just to dupe people. Anyway I bought that one from a silversmith/jeweller who buys scrap silver and coins from provincial folk. Bought it for the peso equivalent of only 20 dollars so its no big loss(just my hurt pride, thought I had a good one here :) ). Oh well, charge to experience.

    This one came with it. Do you think this is a counterfeit too? Thanks a lot :)

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  5. bulldawg

    bulldawg Senior Member

    Both of these coins should weigh in at 26.73 grams each. If real these coins would have an approximate value of about $250.00 each.
     
  6. bzcollektor

    bzcollektor SSDC Life Member

    Two Worlds.....

    These are now infamous counterfeit Trade Dollars. Not only is Ebay flooded with these cheap Chinese fakes, but so many have been imported into the US, that they have made their way into the Flea Markets. They are aimed at the New/ uninformed collector. We not only know better, but we expend all our knowledge to prevent the newbie from becoming a victum to the Chinese Counterfeit Scams
     
  7. bzcollektor

    bzcollektor SSDC Life Member

    This is a Seated Version of The Chinese Fakes, My bad... Same differemce....
     
  8. Dos Mundos

    Dos Mundos Junior Member

    Another picture of both coins, this time in natural light :)

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    great advice bulldawg, I think I better invest in a good weighing scale :)
     
  9. bulldawg

    bulldawg Senior Member

    I believe that a set of scales would resolve a lot of questions and disagreemant whether they are real or fake
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    One of the best ways to identify counterfeits is by looking for the same telltale marks or diagnostics on all the coins. Whether made form molds or dies, all counterfeits from those molds or dies will look the same.

    Weight and measurement, while always a good indicator, do not always confirm or deny authenticity. Many counterfeits will be the right weight and size and have the correct silver content. So even if a coin is the right weight and diameter/thickness - that doesn't always mean it's genuine.

    But if it isn't - then the the odds are stronlgly in favor that it is a fake.
     
  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

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    Close enough? :)
     
  12. Dos Mundos

    Dos Mundos Junior Member


    :D Wow, a perfect match! kinda strange looking at another fake coin thousands of miles away. Those thieves sure do get around :( . Thanks :)
     
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