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<p>[QUOTE="p91, post: 1652251, member: 6174"]Someone I know whos a longtime collector replied to me with this:</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial">I find this coin very intrigueing. I have carefully examined it and have come to the conclusion that it is an N12 variety. I agree that this coin has been double struck on the reverse with something also going on at the top of the obverse. But, there is another problem if this is truly an N12 variety. All N12 and N11 coins were struck using the same obverse with N11 before N12 as this obverse slowly develops a radial crack which starts to break off slowly to eventually yield the various harpooned whale cuds on the N12. Since the N11 starts with a small crack that doesn't form cuds untill the N12 reverse was used, the N11 had to be made first. This appears to be an N12 with NO CRACK!! My guess is that the N12 obverse and reverse were actually used first (with no cracks) but that the reverse die was not properly attached. After this coin went through the press, it did not release and the reverse die fell loose and resulted in the way off center doubling on your coin. The pressure of this mis-strike may have actually caused the radial crack later seen, but that is a guess with no evidence. I would propose that, instead of re-attaching the N12 reverse, the die master used the N11 reverse untill it fell apart. Then the switch went back to the N12 reverse, properly attached. Quite an elaborate story but I think it agrees with the observation of this coin, as well as the known history of the N12 obverse crack die states.</font></span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial">As a unique coin, it is anyone's quess what it is worth. I have spent close to $1,000 for the rarest of the Harpooned whale N12 die states. I am going to send pictures of this coin to John Wright to see if he agrees with me or has another explaination for this coin. He has helped me to confirm (or not) other rare coins I have picked up. Thanks for showing me this coin. I only wish I would have seen it when it was on Ebay.</font></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial"><br /></font></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial">---</font></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial"><br /></font></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><font face="arial">P.S. & FYI This coin was immediately sold up for 300. Thinking I should have priced it closer to the 1k mark but its on its way out as I am not one to go back on a deal... Learning a good bit here, thanks everyone for the info</font></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="p91, post: 1652251, member: 6174"]Someone I know whos a longtime collector replied to me with this: [COLOR=#000000][FONT=arial]I find this coin very intrigueing. I have carefully examined it and have come to the conclusion that it is an N12 variety. I agree that this coin has been double struck on the reverse with something also going on at the top of the obverse. But, there is another problem if this is truly an N12 variety. All N12 and N11 coins were struck using the same obverse with N11 before N12 as this obverse slowly develops a radial crack which starts to break off slowly to eventually yield the various harpooned whale cuds on the N12. Since the N11 starts with a small crack that doesn't form cuds untill the N12 reverse was used, the N11 had to be made first. This appears to be an N12 with NO CRACK!! My guess is that the N12 obverse and reverse were actually used first (with no cracks) but that the reverse die was not properly attached. After this coin went through the press, it did not release and the reverse die fell loose and resulted in the way off center doubling on your coin. The pressure of this mis-strike may have actually caused the radial crack later seen, but that is a guess with no evidence. I would propose that, instead of re-attaching the N12 reverse, the die master used the N11 reverse untill it fell apart. Then the switch went back to the N12 reverse, properly attached. Quite an elaborate story but I think it agrees with the observation of this coin, as well as the known history of the N12 obverse crack die states.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=arial]As a unique coin, it is anyone's quess what it is worth. I have spent close to $1,000 for the rarest of the Harpooned whale N12 die states. I am going to send pictures of this coin to John Wright to see if he agrees with me or has another explaination for this coin. He has helped me to confirm (or not) other rare coins I have picked up. Thanks for showing me this coin. I only wish I would have seen it when it was on Ebay. --- P.S. & FYI This coin was immediately sold up for 300. Thinking I should have priced it closer to the 1k mark but its on its way out as I am not one to go back on a deal... Learning a good bit here, thanks everyone for the info[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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