1830 has some wear, is it likely real?

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  1. MachDJ7O

    MachDJ7O New Member

    Capped_Bust_Halfdollar_1.jpg Capped_Bust_Halfdollar_2.jpg I have received a fake coin that I think was used in a movie set or maybe it was from china. It was easily spot-able but not by the photo. It leaves me wondering if this coin is also fake. Do coins from china have wear on them?
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  3. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity


    China will do everything they can to pass off a fake.

    You need to provide better pictures before members can tell if it is fake or real…imo…Spark
  4. MachDJ7O

    MachDJ7O New Member

    Capped_Bust_Halfdollar_3.jpg Is this a better photo? I have a smart phone with HD capabilities but not much in the way of anything but auto-focus. I have to take them with the phone and then download them from facebook. Although I probably could use google cloud. They advertised that with my last phone. that it would back up files automatically.
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  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay. Stay calm. LOL. We're here to the rescue.... lol.gif
    PLEASE take coin out of holder for Pix., Try it this way or something like it. Don't forget to weigh the coin only.
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  6. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    My first impression is that it is real, but cleaned. It's also over graded. The sharpness is no better than Fine.

    The "LIBERTY" on the headband is often a grading point for beginners. But in this case, that feature is very deeply set in the design is one of the last things to wear off the coin.

    Here is a Mint State example of the type of coin you have. It is good to look at these so that you can get an idea as to how much detail was on the coin when it was new.

    1824 Half Dollar All An.jpg

    Here is a second example that has just a little bit of wear.

    1824HalfDollarO.JPG 1824HalfDollarRJPG.jpg
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  7. MachDJ7O

    MachDJ7O New Member

    IMG_20230920_130328971.jpg IMG_20230920_130316823.jpg I will need to buy a scale I guess... I don't think my bathroom scale is going to work. I am sorry I need to get it out of the container... I will have to get back to you once I get the scale and the new photos.
  8. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes, you might try a food scale. I don't weigh that many pieces because I often by certified coins these days. For the other stuff, I've been at it for 60 years, and I am a retired dealer. I am still not an expert, however. The way counterfeiting is these days, none of us are experts. We are permanent students, always learning what's new in the world of fakes.

    I don't know what you budget is or what your goals are, but you might do well to consider third party graded coins. It might cost more, but for better material grading is usually built into the price.

    There are many people here who are willing to give you advice.
  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I don’t see any red flags myself but I don’t study the series either and it is true that the Beijing mint has certainly been busy in recent years. I will give a callout to our resident bust expert though… @okbustchaser can you sent this fellows mind at ease?
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  10. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Here is an 1830 from my collection for reference.
    1830 Half.jpg
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Buying from a trusted, reputable dealer is many times advancement over the plastic entombment........some folks just need to love and hold and feel and tactile and view an original coin in the wild........:)
  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Better pics would give us a clue as to its authenticity or fake. Thanks for sharing and good luck.
  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Get your Overtons out boys, but as Mr.Q states, larger photogs are indeed required.....
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  14. derkerlegand

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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks like the real thing but it’s been cleaned. It’s a strong VG, maybe a weak Fine. Hard to tell. The headband with LIBERTY is the clue.
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I think it is real, most coins almost 200 years old will have some wear :) Let's see what @okbustchaser says...
  17. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I don’t know why you would say that…. Doug still looks pretty good….
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    still looks pretty Oops, you left off a couple of zeros, 20,000
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  19. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

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  20. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I think it looks cleaned, but appears genuine. here is one graded vf30:
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  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    IMG_1428.jpeg IMG_1429.jpeg I’d say genuine. Likely cleaned. But I don’t see any red flags here’s a vf 20. I think yours would grade f 15.
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