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<p>[QUOTE="enochian, post: 1779404, member: 39576"]Won this on listia and thought it was pretty cool. Tad bit confusing tho</p><p> </p><p>Ive read the date of 1830 isent correct because she didnt become queen intill 1837.</p><p>queen is spelled quen not sure if its a error or abbreviation. The other dates spell it queen.</p><p> </p><p>For some reason the 1830 quen has a rarity of 92 on numismaster. which says its rare but i dont believe that so im not sure why the number is 92.</p><p> </p><p>any way to find the real date?</p><p> </p><p>story</p><p> </p><p>"The design of these counters is loosely based on the British gold sovereign. The reverse legend "To Hanover" is a reference to an obscure bit of British history.</p><p><br /></p><p>Queen Victoria's ancestors, going back to George I in the early 1700's, came from the German country of Hanover, and the kings of Britain remained still the kings of Hanover even after the family packed up and moved to Britain - they were kind of like absentee landlords there, and the two countries were completely separate in government, language, culture etc. - they simply happened to share a monarch.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, the laws of inheritance in Hanover were strictly males only, while the law in Britain allowed a woman to inherit the throne if she had no brothers. Thus, when Queen Victoria's father died in 1837, she inherited the throne of Britain but she wasn't allowed to inherit Hanover as well. The title of King of Hanover went to the Queen's nearest male relative, her uncle, <a href="http://www.coincommunity.com/reference/?target=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Augustus_I_of_Hanover" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coincommunity.com/reference/?target=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Augustus_I_of_Hanover" rel="nofollow">Ernst August</a>, the Duke of Cumberland.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is this gentleman that we see on the reverse of your counter, riding off to Hanover with a kingly crown on his head. Instead of slaying the dragon beneath him, as St George does on the gold coin this was copied from, Ernst is leaping over the dragon in his haste to leave Britain as quickly as possible. The Duke wasn't popular in Britain, and the general public were quite pleased to have Victoria on their throne instead of him.</p><p><br /></p><p>So the "political message" behind this little counter is this: "Hanover can keep that lousy Duke, if they want him, and good riddance to him; we'll keep our Queen, thank you very much"</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3031/0lim.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img5/1448/dsos.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="enochian, post: 1779404, member: 39576"]Won this on listia and thought it was pretty cool. Tad bit confusing tho Ive read the date of 1830 isent correct because she didnt become queen intill 1837. queen is spelled quen not sure if its a error or abbreviation. The other dates spell it queen. For some reason the 1830 quen has a rarity of 92 on numismaster. which says its rare but i dont believe that so im not sure why the number is 92. any way to find the real date? story "The design of these counters is loosely based on the British gold sovereign. The reverse legend "To Hanover" is a reference to an obscure bit of British history. Queen Victoria's ancestors, going back to George I in the early 1700's, came from the German country of Hanover, and the kings of Britain remained still the kings of Hanover even after the family packed up and moved to Britain - they were kind of like absentee landlords there, and the two countries were completely separate in government, language, culture etc. - they simply happened to share a monarch. However, the laws of inheritance in Hanover were strictly males only, while the law in Britain allowed a woman to inherit the throne if she had no brothers. Thus, when Queen Victoria's father died in 1837, she inherited the throne of Britain but she wasn't allowed to inherit Hanover as well. The title of King of Hanover went to the Queen's nearest male relative, her uncle, [URL='http://www.coincommunity.com/reference/?target=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Augustus_I_of_Hanover']Ernst August[/URL], the Duke of Cumberland. It is this gentleman that we see on the reverse of your counter, riding off to Hanover with a kingly crown on his head. Instead of slaying the dragon beneath him, as St George does on the gold coin this was copied from, Ernst is leaping over the dragon in his haste to leave Britain as quickly as possible. The Duke wasn't popular in Britain, and the general public were quite pleased to have Victoria on their throne instead of him. So the "political message" behind this little counter is this: "Hanover can keep that lousy Duke, if they want him, and good riddance to him; we'll keep our Queen, thank you very much" [IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3031/0lim.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img5/1448/dsos.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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