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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 378752, member: 66"]That's just the point. Other than the 1806/5 quarter and half NONE of the other US overdates are on a die that was previously used in a non-overdated fashion.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Dies were not made up individually as they were needed, they were made in batches. We're running low on obv dies, make up another batch of five to ten of them. The thing is you don't want to have a bunch of leftover dies at the end of the year with the wrong date on them. Well the way to handle that is to not punch the last digit into all of them. Then when it gets close to when your going to need it, you punch in the last digit, harden the die, and you're ready to go. In most cases the first three digits of the date are the same so if you roll over from one year to the next it's no problem. </p><p><br /></p><p>A good example of this is (and the problems that can happen) can be found in 1798 with the large cents. Production was going well they still had dies on hand but were getting a little low and a new batch of obv dies was created. One of them had the full date punched into it and the others were just punched with 179_. But then a severe yellow fever outbreak forced the mint to close down (This was pretty much an annual occurrence in the 1790's) When the mint reopened late in 1798 they now found themselves coming up on the end of the year with several perfectly good and hardened 1798 cent dies, at least two fully dated but unhardened dies, and at least five partially dated unhardened dies. Rather than discard the hardened 1798 dies they just continued using them through the end of the year and right into 1799. At some point in 1799 they took one of the 1798 dated unhardened dies and punched a 9 over the last 8, hardened it and started using it. (They were still striking 1798 cents as well. We know this because the 99/8 obv was paired with two different reverse dies that were later used to strike 1798 cents. The reverse dies were in a later die state when used to make the 1798 cents.)</p><p><br /></p><p>One of the 179_ dies was also used after having the final 9 punched into it. But there was another yellow fever outbreak that year and as the year ended there were no more hardened 1798 dies, one fully dated unhardened 1798 die, and four 179_ dies on hand.</p><p><br /></p><p>But the next year was 1800, so the 1798 die became 1800/798 (S-190,191,NC-5, NC-6) and the other four 1800/79_ (S-192 - 196, NC-1, NC-2)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 378752, member: 66"]That's just the point. Other than the 1806/5 quarter and half NONE of the other US overdates are on a die that was previously used in a non-overdated fashion. Dies were not made up individually as they were needed, they were made in batches. We're running low on obv dies, make up another batch of five to ten of them. The thing is you don't want to have a bunch of leftover dies at the end of the year with the wrong date on them. Well the way to handle that is to not punch the last digit into all of them. Then when it gets close to when your going to need it, you punch in the last digit, harden the die, and you're ready to go. In most cases the first three digits of the date are the same so if you roll over from one year to the next it's no problem. A good example of this is (and the problems that can happen) can be found in 1798 with the large cents. Production was going well they still had dies on hand but were getting a little low and a new batch of obv dies was created. One of them had the full date punched into it and the others were just punched with 179_. But then a severe yellow fever outbreak forced the mint to close down (This was pretty much an annual occurrence in the 1790's) When the mint reopened late in 1798 they now found themselves coming up on the end of the year with several perfectly good and hardened 1798 cent dies, at least two fully dated but unhardened dies, and at least five partially dated unhardened dies. Rather than discard the hardened 1798 dies they just continued using them through the end of the year and right into 1799. At some point in 1799 they took one of the 1798 dated unhardened dies and punched a 9 over the last 8, hardened it and started using it. (They were still striking 1798 cents as well. We know this because the 99/8 obv was paired with two different reverse dies that were later used to strike 1798 cents. The reverse dies were in a later die state when used to make the 1798 cents.) One of the 179_ dies was also used after having the final 9 punched into it. But there was another yellow fever outbreak that year and as the year ended there were no more hardened 1798 dies, one fully dated unhardened 1798 die, and four 179_ dies on hand. But the next year was 1800, so the 1798 die became 1800/798 (S-190,191,NC-5, NC-6) and the other four 1800/79_ (S-192 - 196, NC-1, NC-2)[/QUOTE]
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