1827 25C. Counterfeit?

Received this in a batch of silver.
It has no attraction to a magnet I used a 405 lb pull neodymium to be sure.
I don't have a scale to use. I think the numbers in the date are to large even for a 1800's restrike. The finish just seems off. There is no visible seams.
Thoughts?

 

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I want mine to have Mickley's initials on it.

 

bust halves did not have reeded edges until 1836 so yeah fake or at minimum tampered with


don't mind me had it in my head it was a half dollar lol

 

It is not the B-1 nor the B-2, the only two die marriages for the year. Neither obverse nor reverse are correct.

Reeded edge is correct for this quarter series.

I haven't compared the OP's coin with all the restrikes.

Tentatively, given the grainy surfaces, I would guess a cast counterfeit despite no evident edge seam.

Do you have a weight and diameter?

 

The grainy surfaces are a big red flag.

Weigh it.

 

Cleaned, grainy, and odd. I agree with @Publius2, weight, diameter, and in my opinion, a microscope will help. Good luck.

 

Who’s Mickey?

 

Joseph Mickley was a prominent early coin collector who had the mint strike him four proof 1827 quarters. I believe the die used was a repunched 1822 or 1823.

https://stacksbowers.com/1827-quarter-dollar/

 

Uh, the date logo is completely wrong. Unless I'm missing something.

 

It may still have some value if it is counterfeit.

 

Yea, maybe on Ebay.

 

There are collectors of counterfeit coins and some are worth more than the real thing. I don't believe they can be sold on Ebay.

 

That is often true where the real one is more or less common. But I don't think it would be the case for a 1827 quarter. They are so rare (R-7 for the B-1 and R-6+ for the B-2) that I doubt anyone would pay more for a counterfeit.

BTW, Greysheet still lists the 1827s as proofs but Tompkins says no way these are proofs. Excellent and long discussion on the 1827s in Tompkins book.

 

Absolutely correct @KBBPLL. The genuine one on the right is the 1827 B-2, Late die state. Characteristic is the rusted die marks at the date and running to Star 13. This was a restrike done from the original dies sometime around 1876. These are called the "Rusted Die Silver Restrikes" to separate them from the "Rusted Copper Restrikes" struck around the same time but on very thick copper planchets.

 

Seems to me the cross over on the 8 is not correct for the 1827. KBBPLL post is correct.

 

Yes I picked a restrike image but the fonts on all the real ones looked identical. 827 are all wrong on the fake.

 

All of the genuine 1827s use the same obverse. That is why the date is the same on all genuine pieces regardless of when struck. This obverse was first used in 1822 for 1822 dated coins. It was used again in 1823 and repunched a three over the two. Used again in 1827 but this time all four digits were repunched with a different set of number punches.

Going from memory here so if I got somethimg wrong go ahead and pile on.

 

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Another "Family" - Capped Bust Quarter Counterfeits (coinweek.com)

 

Seems like you could publish a catalog!

 

50 articles on Coin Week seem like I have...