Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Mark Metzger, May 14, 2020.
It is very attractive in hand.
Mark and Henry
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Photograde isn't the best for these. The reason is, throughout the Capped Bust Half series, there were actually *several* subtypes, where the bust was redesigned and re-engraved to strengthen detail, make it strike better, etc. An 1807 is going to have a *very* different wear pattern than an 1824 or 1836. Each subtype has to be graded accordingly. Additionally, each die marriage had its own strike characteristics, so an 1824 O-101 and an 1824 O-109 might have its own wear patterns! That level of detail is usually left to a specialist, but you can get a pretty good idea by comparing to the appropriate subtype.
All that to say - I think your coin is probably VF-30 or 35. Compare yours to mine, graded PCGS EF-40. There appears to be more wear on your coin, and I don't see the luster around the stars that I would want for a 40. Still quite a lot of meat left, though. I think yours is a Choice VF.
What a nice coin you have! Your coin intrigued me, so I looked deeper and I believe you have an overdate.
Thanks for all the input so far.
Further: The 7-8 o'clock position of the '8', the dot inside the top curl of the '2' and the dot above the lower left serif of the '4'.
Now the grade: From a purely physical viewpoint, I believe this coin should grade AU-53. From an esthetic view, ??
Yes, it is the Overton 101 1824/1. Mark stated this in the thread title.
You are IMO way too high in your grade estimate. It is a 30 to 35. On the right day a TPG MIGHT call it 40.
https://www.remove.bg/upload if you can't get a black or white background. When I converted your photos, it did leave a bit of the background on the top of the coin but makes the coin easier to view. Just a thought.
I’d be tickled if I submitted this and it straight graded 35. That’s what I would submit it hoping for.
2. Wear on cap.
3. Wear on hair.
4. Wear on scarf bow knot.
5. Most stars complete with little wear.
2. Flute on arrowheads.
3. Wear of claws.
4. Wear on both wing feathers.
5. Wear on leaves.
6. Wear on the eagles beak, head and neck feathers.
7. Wear on the E PLURIBUS UNUM banner or ribbon.
@physics-fan3.14 coin graded at EF-40 so, how can anyone not grade @Nathan401's coin higher. The proof is in front of my eyes, or am I missing something?
Yes, unfortunately, you are apparently missing a lot of things. Nathan didn't post the coin, Mark did.
And every single point you mention on Mark's coin has more wear. There is absolutely no way that this coin would ever be considered for AU, not to mention AU-58+! An AU-58+ is a coin which has literally had a single thumb swipe across its surface, with only the most barely perceptible disturbance in the luster on the highest points. This coin has wear to the point that design details are beginning to merge into flat parts!
It is a nice coin, but an AU grade is just in the wrong solar system.
If Mark/Henry decide to have it graded, I hope he posts it for me (at least) to see.
I hope you view this discussion as just that and not an attack on you, but how do you justify VF-30 or35. I made the comparison you asked Mark to make and his coin is better in all the points I mentioned.
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