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<p>[QUOTE="jgenn, post: 2962780, member: 78525"]Thanks, AussieCollector, for presenting your 8 reales in a way that highlights the typical range of diagnostics that one should be aware of. Too many collectors only show pictures of the coin faces and expect a useful answer.</p><p><br /></p><p>The weight is reasonable. The specific gravity might be within range -- it is not easy to get very accurate results without a highly accurate scale and I don't know your margin of error. If I remember correctly, a 90/10 alloy of silver/copper should be 10.31.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't see any obvious issues with the obverse and reverse designs. It looks like normal adjustment marks across Fernando's face. To bad about the 'X' in the field near his chin, though. </p><p><br /></p><p>The edge design looks correct and the overlaps appear in the correct orientation to each other however the length of the overlaps do not appear to match, I can see one segment overlap in the first edge picture and three in the second. The parallel die mill would cause the length of overlap to match exactly. </p><p><br /></p><p>I think I can see evidence that the obverse/reverse was struck after the edge was milled. Evidence to the contrary would indicate a counterfeit.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have a concern about the overlap length -- perhaps it's correct and just not visible from the photograph. The specific gravity is slightly low and might provide the necessary margin for a counterfeit to be profitable. On the whole, I would guess genuine but it could be a well made counterfeit. Any third party grading service, however, would call this genuine -- they focus more on grading than a determination of authenticity.</p><p><br /></p><p>Get a copy of "Counterfeit Portrait Eight-Reales: The Un-Real Reales" by Gurney, Nichols and Lorenzo for even more diagnostics to look for as well as an explanation on why the demand for 8 reales in China, above other silver trade dollars, caused a proliferation of 8 reales counterfeits.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="jgenn, post: 2962780, member: 78525"]Thanks, AussieCollector, for presenting your 8 reales in a way that highlights the typical range of diagnostics that one should be aware of. Too many collectors only show pictures of the coin faces and expect a useful answer. The weight is reasonable. The specific gravity might be within range -- it is not easy to get very accurate results without a highly accurate scale and I don't know your margin of error. If I remember correctly, a 90/10 alloy of silver/copper should be 10.31. I don't see any obvious issues with the obverse and reverse designs. It looks like normal adjustment marks across Fernando's face. To bad about the 'X' in the field near his chin, though. The edge design looks correct and the overlaps appear in the correct orientation to each other however the length of the overlaps do not appear to match, I can see one segment overlap in the first edge picture and three in the second. The parallel die mill would cause the length of overlap to match exactly. I think I can see evidence that the obverse/reverse was struck after the edge was milled. Evidence to the contrary would indicate a counterfeit. I have a concern about the overlap length -- perhaps it's correct and just not visible from the photograph. The specific gravity is slightly low and might provide the necessary margin for a counterfeit to be profitable. On the whole, I would guess genuine but it could be a well made counterfeit. Any third party grading service, however, would call this genuine -- they focus more on grading than a determination of authenticity. Get a copy of "Counterfeit Portrait Eight-Reales: The Un-Real Reales" by Gurney, Nichols and Lorenzo for even more diagnostics to look for as well as an explanation on why the demand for 8 reales in China, above other silver trade dollars, caused a proliferation of 8 reales counterfeits.[/QUOTE]
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