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<p>[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 1327746, member: 15019"]Got this coin a couple months back. I emailed these pics to someone experienced with Spanish, Central and South American coins from this era as well as counterfeits.</p><p>He felt it was a cast forgery, largely based on the small "pimples" that riddle the surface of the coin. He felt these were casting bubbles.</p><p>I felt it was a struck coin and that the pimples were die rust. After further research I found several examples of the same type in both known die pairings that had minor evidence of similar "pimples".</p><p> Also found a slightly later, but similarly made type that had extensive "pimples" just like my coin one one side, and was slabbed by NGC: <a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARGENTINA-1832-RA-4-Soles-NGC-MS63-6534-/180740379666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a14f75412" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARGENTINA-1832-RA-4-Soles-NGC-MS63-6534-/180740379666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a14f75412" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARGENTINA-1832-RA-4-Soles-NGC-MS63-6534-/180740379666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a14f75412</a> (enlarge photo of sun-face side to see what I mean).</p><p><br /></p><p>At this point I feel that it's struck from a very rusty die. If it was cast and there were casting bubbles I would expect them to be found with similar frequency in the fields and raised portions. On my coin they are nearly always found in the fields and lowest relief portions. The edge also has two reverse direction overlaps at directly opposing points, and these colonial type edges are most difficult to copy correctly.</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin is the correct size and weight is spot on. Electromagnetic test suggests very high purity silver content. Wear pattern is exactly as it should be compared to examples from major auctions. The wear pattern is actually one of the main reasons I believe it's authentic (along with faint cartwheel luster).</p><p><br /></p><p>The planchet also has a slight bend near the area of the assayer initials, but it appears to be original to the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Initially I wanted to send it out for slabbing. But, I plan on keeping the coin for myself and never slab coins I keep. Only if I planned to sell it would I send it to the TGPs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Would love to hear your thoughts on this one. I already informed the seller I'd be keeping it, so now it's a question of "rare coin" versus "study specimen".</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks! =)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/020.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/021.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/028-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/029-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/030.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/031.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/032.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/033.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/025-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/026-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 1327746, member: 15019"]Got this coin a couple months back. I emailed these pics to someone experienced with Spanish, Central and South American coins from this era as well as counterfeits. He felt it was a cast forgery, largely based on the small "pimples" that riddle the surface of the coin. He felt these were casting bubbles. I felt it was a struck coin and that the pimples were die rust. After further research I found several examples of the same type in both known die pairings that had minor evidence of similar "pimples". Also found a slightly later, but similarly made type that had extensive "pimples" just like my coin one one side, and was slabbed by NGC: [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARGENTINA-1832-RA-4-Soles-NGC-MS63-6534-/180740379666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a14f75412[/url] (enlarge photo of sun-face side to see what I mean). At this point I feel that it's struck from a very rusty die. If it was cast and there were casting bubbles I would expect them to be found with similar frequency in the fields and raised portions. On my coin they are nearly always found in the fields and lowest relief portions. The edge also has two reverse direction overlaps at directly opposing points, and these colonial type edges are most difficult to copy correctly. The coin is the correct size and weight is spot on. Electromagnetic test suggests very high purity silver content. Wear pattern is exactly as it should be compared to examples from major auctions. The wear pattern is actually one of the main reasons I believe it's authentic (along with faint cartwheel luster). The planchet also has a slight bend near the area of the assayer initials, but it appears to be original to the coin. Initially I wanted to send it out for slabbing. But, I plan on keeping the coin for myself and never slab coins I keep. Only if I planned to sell it would I send it to the TGPs. Would love to hear your thoughts on this one. I already informed the seller I'd be keeping it, so now it's a question of "rare coin" versus "study specimen". Thanks! =) [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/020.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/021.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/028-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/029-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/030.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/031.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/032.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/033.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/025-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii314/Numismat/026-1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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