1809 capped bust half O106 prime

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  1. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

    So I posted this in newest acquisitions the other day. @okbustchaser here it is. I don't see a crack joining the stars on the left. So am I correct that this is in fact an O-106 prime? Screenshot_20210610-181611_Gallery.jpg Screenshot_20210610-181627_Gallery.jpg
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  3. micbraun

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  4. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

  5. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Looks like it to me...here's another one that is currently hidden away in my SDB.

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  6. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

  7. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    Yes and no. It’s still an R3 die marriage.
  8. JimsOkay

    JimsOkay Member

    To me, that’s a beautiful coin! It looks like how you would expect to find one that was hidden away somewhere.
  9. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

    It does seem very nice. It was pictured through a 2x2 on the auction. I couldn't even tell the variety before I bought it. Bustchaser helped me with that initially. Still the picture wouldn't show if the crack was there or not.
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  10. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    As for R rating even though the die state is R-5 (???, personally I think closer to 4+ anymore) I wouldn't expect it to bring much of a premium since Micbraun said the DM itself is readily available.

    That said, I think you did better than OK. 200 bucks? Steal!!
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  11. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

    Oh yes I'm not even worried if it were a r2. It's a nice coin for the price when so many are problem coins
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  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Rarity is a funny thing. Variety rarity is the most commonly considered. But the scales, even while identical visually, vary from series to series. I deal in early copper, so I'm familiar with the Sheldon scale. It is an 8 level scale which has subsequently been modified via use of +,_, and - to indicate precise numeric estimates of known, available to collector, quantities for the variety.

    But some scales used on other series or World Coins use different scales and different quantities. So it's important to understand which scale is being used.

    A Sheldon R8 is NC or Not Collectable. In different 10 point scale system, R8 might be the equivalent of a Sheldon R5.

    Now to the different question of rarity of a sub variety or Die Stage/State within a variety, it can use the same scale, but it's affect on value is often quite different.

    Here is a S-220. S-220 is an R3 variety or 200-500 estimated survivors. It is also (I believe) Die State I with Reverse Noyes Die State A (Perfect, without evidence of the Reverse Arc crack of State B) unseen by Noyes at the time of publication (2015) of his 1798-1801 Volume. Thus it would be R8 and possibly R8+ as a die state/stage. But I promise you the price will not reflect anything close to an R8 variety premium.

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  13. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted Supporter

    Not sure why you’re talking about early copper now. There are various rarity scales, usually used for different types of coins - see https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/851569/rarity-scales

    This is the rarity scale used with Bust half dollars:
    R.5 = 31-80 known coins

    More precisely:
    Rarity # Known
    R5- 64-80
    R5 47-63
    R5+ 31-46

    As always, the condition/grade of the coin is important, too. Some varieties are more readily available, but mostly in lower grades. In such cases, high grade examples will demand a premium.
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  14. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Excellent links.

    I talked about the series I was familiar with as someone who specialized in Early Copper.

    I was aware of different scales in other series, but could not offer what you have in the particulars for the OPs series.
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  15. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

    I am collecting by variety. I always prefer to get a scarcer die state of the particular variety vs the common one.
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  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    That is my preference as well. I will pay extra for an interesting die state, knowing few others will. But it's not advisable as an investment or for flipping unless you have an established die state buyer.
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  17. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    What a nice looking original coin! GReat to buy those raw and hold them right in hour hand. Congrats.
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  18. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Early copper uses the same scale as bust halves--the Sheldon Scale...in fact, William Sheldon designed his scale for early copper...(just like he designed his grading scale for use with early US copper.)
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