1804 Large Cent, is it real or hopium?

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  1. goldrealmoney79

    goldrealmoney79 Active Member

    Came across this supposed 1804 large cent, between the horrible angles, glare and the corrosion, plus possible tooling
    I cant tell if it's the real deal or if somebody sold the pawn shop on some hopium in regards to the large cent.
    Whats your take on this cent? real deal 1804? or some bogus?

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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    To start off i don't think it has a date even visible!!!its a very corroded large cent.Nothing screams fake this person is just trying to get money really bad.
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error Specialist "in Training "

    This coin is and will always b damaged and cleaned . Not worth the the $1,000 asking price ! :yuck:
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  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    I'd call it real.
    I'd grade it PO-01 Details.
    Definitely not worth $1000.
    And if you can't ID the Cohen number it's in the $10-20 range -- if that.
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  6. tibor

    tibor Well-Known Member

    I believe Cohen attributed Half-Cents.
    Sheldon attributed Large Cents.
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  7. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Oops, yes.
    I'm working with both half cents and large cents at this time.
    And I confuse easily.
    So right now I have to remember I'm dealing with Sheldon, Cohen and Newcomb variety systems.

    The current coin I'm IDing is an 1838 Matron Head Large Cent (Modified/Young Head).
    16 varieties.
    Right now I've got it down to 1 of 2 possibilities (photos later).
  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Details are terrible due to the corrosion; many do not line up correctly (apparently!) to a genuine 1804.


    Totally unscientific but there should be a rotation difference between the obv and rev on a genuine 1804 LC. Lining up the staples they appear rotated the same:D...

    rotated combo.jpg
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2021
  9. montynj3417

    montynj3417 Active Member

    The one I found detecting got a lot more to offer than the thousand-dollar slug, and it's ten years older! I'd furnish pics, if I had the barest iota of talent for that.
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  10. Revello

    Revello Active Member

    As others have posted, it's not worth the risk nor, even if genuine, close to the value the seller is asking. Grey sheet for a certified AG-3 is $1200, and the Ebay coin you posted (even if genuine) is not remotely close to an AG-3, and more like a P-01 details coin. Plus, in that poor condition, you have no idea (assuming it's a dated 1804 coin) whether it is a private restrike version whose value is considerably less than an original 1804 Large Cent. You have to be wary of buying a raw 1804 Large Cent due to the number of restrike versions floating around.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2021
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  11. Revello

    Revello Active Member

    As a follow up, if you're looking for a genuine 1804 Large Cent, keep watching Great Collections, Heritage Auction, or Stacks and Bowers auctions -- you can likely get a PCGS or NGC certified Good-details coin for under $1000. See link below for an example of such a sale ($875, but $985 with buyer's fee) on GreatCollections -- there were two sold during that auction for the identical price: 1804 Draped Bust Cent PCGS Genuine Good Details (Item 1043064) | GreatCollections Coin Auctions
  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Hope you didn't buy it. Definitely not worth a thousand dollars. Stay away from it, good luck.
  13. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    I have recently started my due diligence for Large Cent coins. What is obvious is the corrosion, I will not speak to the authenticity since I do not have it in hand BUT it is in NO WAY worth what he is asking.
    Did you ask the seller what he was smoking when he priced it?
    Semper Fi
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  14. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    Not an 1804. Rev leaves on rt do not line up right with letters. Unless the coin was emptied & re-inserted into the 2x2, this coin
    has a MAJOR rev rotation -- commonly seen on S-276 (1807). I would not pay $5 for this wretch to carry in my pocket.
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  15. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    I paid $575 for my 1804 in 1970, pic attached. 1804 S-266  JDW  VF20   Early.jpg
  16. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    Here is your dug-up coin. Quite a find! 1804 S-266 2 cc-- -NA- CNot Gilson (MDet).jpg
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  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Mine; still easily attributable...

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  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The ebay coin is an 1803 either S-258 or 259.
  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The lousy pictures make this a non starter. If the seller can’t take it out of a 2X2 and take decent pictures for a potential $1,000 sale, you should not even consider messing with it. If you are viewing the item live, that makes things different.

    Internet sellers hold almost all of the cards, and when they only deal you a joker, like this one, walk.

    Lousy photos almost always are an indication that the seller is up to no good.
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  20. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Like your honesty
  21. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Hhhhmmmmm. What was I doing 50 years ago.
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