1804 Draped Bust Dollar Coin

I can't tell from the pictures as I am not an expert in this series. I will tell you this, the fakes for these outnumber real ones by an uncanny magnitude. The chance of yours being real practically non-existent. There have been other stories like yours on the forums where people get there hopes up, and are then let down. Some of the fakes out there are extremely deceiving. I'd get it looked at, but seriously, DO NOT get your hopes up.

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Thanks for the links. I do see your point about the 4. I am wondering if that may be one of the differences between a class 1 coin and a class 3 coin. That link had a class 1 coin. Maybe this one is a class 3?? I am not saying this coin is real for sure. That's why I am here. I am trying to figure out a little bit about it is all. I am hoping that somebody out there can tell the difference.

 

You are right. I am not trying to get my hopes up really. I know it could be fake. But, my Great Grandfather who owned this coin was a coin collector. I find it hard to believe that it could be a fake. Time will tell I guess.

 

what is the spike on the reverse right next to the "A" at the end of "AMERICA" that is going from the claw to the rim? Is it a raised line?

 

Not sure really. I don't have the coin in front of me right now. There is something there isn't there? Is there supossed to be a raised line there? Now I am wondering. I will have to check it out when I get home this weekend to see if it raised or not. Hard to say by looking at the pic.

 

Signing off for the night. I will be back tomorrow night though. Looking forward to hearing if anyone has any good info. on this coin. Thanks for all of your help though! It is appreciated.

 

No, it does not.

• 1804 dollars have a plain 4, not a crosslet 4.
• 1804 dollars have beaded borders, not elongated denticles.
• Star #13 is too close to the bust.
• Reverse of this coin shows casting marks in the field between "I" in UNITED and the eagle
• The bust is obviously wrong
• All the obverse stars are wrong size / shape
• the numerals in the date are oversized

There are many other problems, too many to list. This coin is phony.

 

Sorry, but it looks fake. I'm no expert, but from experience it just has that "look".

 

Sorry dude it's fake.

 

Sorry, but no, it does not look genuine to me. Like 900fine said, there are many indicators that this coin is not genuine.

 

My first impression was the coin was off center
The star is awfully close to lady liberty's bust...
The coin, doesn't look real in the photos, we see fakes almost on a daily basis, I believe this too is a fake, it doesn't have the look of a real coin.
If it is a fake, it isn't the best fake in the world...

 

It'd make a neat pocket piece to shoot the bull with though.

 

Agreed...excellent post. This coin is a clear fake. It is a cool family heirloom, but unfortunately it's not a real 1804. Don't feel too bad though, the 1804 Dollar is probably the "Holy Grail" of American coins and therefore among the most common faked.

 

CBull, just so you know (if it has not been posted already, I skimmed the thread) they did make 'contemporary counterfeits' of coins that were known to be rare for awhile even back in the 'old days'. So given that your great-grandfather gave it to you, it could easily be one of these.

That being said, its a pretty decent one if it is fake (which is probably is, just from statistical chance, not judging you or anything).

 

Hey everyone- I really appreciate all of your feedback about this coin. After listening to all of your feedback and comparing additional photos of the 1804 coin, I am starting to think that it is possibly a fake. 900Fine- I see all of your points. The star does look close to the bust. And as I look more closly the stars in general don't appear to be like the originals. I also see what you mean about the beaded border. I didn't even notice that. So, I think I might be convinced that this is a phony. The date on the coin looks different as well. I actually did notice that after I first started looking at the real 1804's. I just was kind of thinking that it was a die issue or something on some of these coins. I don't know anything about coins anyway. Looks like I will have to return that Escalade after all. Thanks again for all of your comments.

 

Even so take it to a local coin store it is always better to have one see the coin in person, but It does look fake to me sorry (i am also no expert)

 

Indeed......

 

the Chinese make some pretty good counterfeits and are flooding the US market with as many as they can, so do I believe it's real? No. There are exactly 15 examples of this coin known to exist and all of them are accounted for. If it was a 1913 nickel, I would tell you the same thing.

No one on this forum can authenticate this coin from pictures. If you really think it is genuine, then send it to PCGS, NCG or ANACS. They can authenticate it and if they do, we'll read about you in Coin World, Numismatic News, and probably every newspaper in the country. this coin is THAT rare!

 

I don't have a good feeling about this coin.
Can we see the reverse and did you get a weight on it??
Here is a pic of a 1804 dollar that was shamelessly ripped from:
Heritage Auctions web site.

You will notice the differences on the date and hair.
But I hope I'm way off base

 

you know, I didn't really think about this until now, but weigh the coin. It looks like it's not 90% silver, but a silver mix. I have an 1838 bust half that is a counterfeit and is exactly the same color, and that makes me suspicious that this dollar coin came from the same place as my coin.