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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 901354, member: 21705"]Well, as usually happens, a long post timed out and I didn't copy it. I'll post in shorter bits and then edit.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now the task is more daunting than I initially imagined as I begin tracing the die markers. I don't see some and I mistake scratches, corrosion and dings as well as strike differences and toning for non existent ones. The last two can alter the apparent sequencing as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>My appreciation must be extended to Heritage Auction for their archives where I have obtained these images without permission for this research. Therefore, they should not be used for any other purpose and if they ask, I will remove them. </p><p><br /></p><p>I have adjusted the images in a few instances to maximize the die marker's visibility and then added my own comments with paintjet. </p><p>I will then move them to photobucket when they complete their maintenance and share them to CoinTalk.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since I don't always see the described markers, I am finding that working backward from the terminal state dies to the initial ones works best. I'm also fortunate that my proposed sequence begins with S-243 which has a very easy Obverse 1 die marker CUD. I will post both obverse and reverse since the obverse will help to determine the reverse sequence when there are no or difficult to follow markers for the early sequence of Reverse L of 1802 (A of 1803).<span style="color: Red">[I have changed my mind and will stick to one die for presentation purposes. I'll keep them together in my files.] </span></p><p><br /></p><p>Please note that my Die States do not correspond to published reference material which I don't have or descriptions which are often based on little or no comparison pieces.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 1 of 1803 - All are paired with Reverse A of 1803/Reverse L of 1802:</p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>I This is the initial State with no apparent injury to the rim to the right of Liberty:</b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IANACSAU53B-1R22582563ObverseH.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>II This is the first evidence of an injury to the rim, but not yet in the field:</b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IIPCGSMS63BNB-1R2ObverseHerita.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>III Rim beginning to crumble</b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IIINGCXF40B-1R2ObverseHeritage.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>IV CUD breaks into field right of Y </b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IVPCGSAU58B-1R2ObverseHeritage.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>V Break right of Y thickens</b></i></u></p><p><u><i><b><br /></b></i></u> </p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VPCGSMS62BNB-1R2ObverseHeritag.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>VI Break moves up to above TY near rim</b></i></u></p><p><u><i><b><br /></b></i></u> </p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VINCSXFDetailsB-1R25084191-012.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><u><i><b>VII Break thickens into TY and radial breaks around the CUD form</b></i></u></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VIINCSVFDetailsB-1R25084191-01.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Please make comments now about the presentation and any helpful hints which might make it better.</p><p><br /></p><p>Next up will be Obverse 14 of 1802 with 2 Reverse Pairings - Reverse M of 1802 (Reverse C of 1803) on the S-242 and Reverse A of 1803 (Reverse L of 1802) on the S-241.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 901354, member: 21705"]Well, as usually happens, a long post timed out and I didn't copy it. I'll post in shorter bits and then edit. Now the task is more daunting than I initially imagined as I begin tracing the die markers. I don't see some and I mistake scratches, corrosion and dings as well as strike differences and toning for non existent ones. The last two can alter the apparent sequencing as well. My appreciation must be extended to Heritage Auction for their archives where I have obtained these images without permission for this research. Therefore, they should not be used for any other purpose and if they ask, I will remove them. I have adjusted the images in a few instances to maximize the die marker's visibility and then added my own comments with paintjet. I will then move them to photobucket when they complete their maintenance and share them to CoinTalk. Since I don't always see the described markers, I am finding that working backward from the terminal state dies to the initial ones works best. I'm also fortunate that my proposed sequence begins with S-243 which has a very easy Obverse 1 die marker CUD. I will post both obverse and reverse since the obverse will help to determine the reverse sequence when there are no or difficult to follow markers for the early sequence of Reverse L of 1802 (A of 1803).[COLOR=Red][I have changed my mind and will stick to one die for presentation purposes. I'll keep them together in my files.] [/COLOR] Please note that my Die States do not correspond to published reference material which I don't have or descriptions which are often based on little or no comparison pieces. Obverse 1 of 1803 - All are paired with Reverse A of 1803/Reverse L of 1802: [U][I][B]I This is the initial State with no apparent injury to the rim to the right of Liberty:[/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IANACSAU53B-1R22582563ObverseH.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]II This is the first evidence of an injury to the rim, but not yet in the field:[/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IIPCGSMS63BNB-1R2ObverseHerita.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]III Rim beginning to crumble[/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IIINGCXF40B-1R2ObverseHeritage.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]IV CUD breaks into field right of Y [/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243IVPCGSAU58B-1R2ObverseHeritage.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]V Break right of Y thickens [/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VPCGSMS62BNB-1R2ObverseHeritag.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]VI Break moves up to above TY near rim [/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VINCSXFDetailsB-1R25084191-012.jpg[/IMG] [U][I][B]VII Break thickens into TY and radial breaks around the CUD form[/B][/I][/U] [IMG]http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy168/MBryant31958/Coins/S-243VIINCSVFDetailsB-1R25084191-01.jpg[/IMG] Please make comments now about the presentation and any helpful hints which might make it better. Next up will be Obverse 14 of 1802 with 2 Reverse Pairings - Reverse M of 1802 (Reverse C of 1803) on the S-242 and Reverse A of 1803 (Reverse L of 1802) on the S-241.[/QUOTE]
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