1803 & 1805 US Half Cents

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by kanga, Aug 10, 2022.

  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    I won these in the auction at the EAC Convention this past May in St Louis.
    Just had to go through the process of getting them slabbed.
    I went with NGC rather than PCGS because of the faster turnaround time.

    1803 C-4 NGC VF 25 BN
    1hf-1803-o-40.jpg 1hf-1803-r-40.jpg
    1hf-1803-ox.jpg 1hf-1803-rx.jpg

    1805 C-4 NGC XF 45 BN
    1hf-1805-C4-o-40.jpg 1hf-1805-C4-r-40.jpg 1hf-1805-C4-ox.jpg 1hf-1805-C4-rx.jpg

    One of these days I'll remember to polish the slabs so that the coins don't appear to be so scratched.
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Good looking half cents.:cool:
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  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Brand new slabs & they are scratched already?

    I'd call NGC, unless, of course you did it
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  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Probably on the coins.
    But I should check before taking images.
    Then I could be sure.
  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Scratched or not they are nice looking. I wouldn’t think they would straight grade if the coin was scratched.
  7. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    Love those early coppers. Nice examples. I notice that NGC applies color notations to circulated coppers but, I think, PCGS does not. I never understood why NGC does that. Has anyone ever seen a circulated grade with a RB or R designation? If I have hi-jacked your thread @kanga I apologize, not my intention.
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  8. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 66+ Supporter

    The color notation does seem silly for circulated coppers.
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  9. Indianhead65

    Indianhead65 Well-Known Member

    I love seeing these old Half Cents...lots of history there. Yours look great!!
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  10. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    There is no such thing as a red, well circulated coin unless it’s been cleaned and therefore can’t be given a straight grade. I can’t understand why NGC puts “Brown” on copper coins like this.
  11. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Very nice. They look great in those holders. Is it common for reverse side of half cents to not line up with the obverse side? Am I saying my question right?
  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Collector for 65 years. You got me by about 60 years. God bless you. I can dig that kind of drive
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I didn’t know that!!
  14. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    @kanga sweet pair of EAC. Congrats on two coins I'd love to say were mine. Enjoy them.
  15. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Nice coins, kanga. My favorite series of US coins.

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  17. stlnats

    stlnats Active Member

    My understanding is that some, or even a lot of, rotation is not uncommon on early US coppers.
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  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Roger Cohen entitled his die variety book, “The Half Sisters” because they were at the bottom of the list for any benefits the mint gave to other coins. The half cents were often made on cut-down planchets that were not good enough to be cents. They were over-struck on pieces like the Talbot, Allum and Lee coppers. When Draped Bust design was unveiled, they were the last to get it. Ditto when the Classic Head design appeared in 1807. The half cent got it in 1809.

    So it’s not surprising that the die alignment was often off for the half cent. One example is the 1808 normal date half cent. The dies are aligned in the medal, not the coin turn.
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  19. Eric the Red

    Eric the Red Supporter! Supporter

    Very nice coins Kanga.
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