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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7929936, member: 21705"]I see nothing obvious which would make me not think this was a S-237 including the Reverse which shows a couple of die subtle die cracks from the rim to the top of M and through I. The crack on the right fraction bar and from the rim through N to the leaves is also present. I don't see the TAT rim break of the terminal die state, but something looks like it's starting there so definitely a late die state.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Obverse has the broken lower left foot of Y which helps differentiate it from the obverse of S-235 which is close to a twin. I don't like using the opposite side of a coin to differentiate varieties. I could miss a mule that way.</p><p><br /></p><p>Strangely enough, it's one of the few varieties of 1802 I don't have since I concentrated on the rarer varieties. I show it as an R3 rarity. Others are S-225 R3-, S-227 R2, S-228 R2, NC-2 R6 (thought I had one, but was S-230), S-233 R2+ and the above mentioned S-237 R3. I look for rarer die states on the more common varieties.</p><p><br /></p><p>If it's a fake, it's a very good one and would have to be a transfer die to retain the markers I mentioned.</p><p><br /></p><p>But I can resolve the Attribution of this coin or the mother coin if it is indeed a fake. It is definitely not different from known varieties, though there are a few stem directions which might be affected by natural copper movement and wear. It's close to a fallen berry stem, but not quite. More parallel than falling.</p><p><br /></p><p>I see nothing wrong with the 0. In fact, the 2 looks a little more different than my comp, but not enough that it can't be accounted for by a minor ding or wear on either of the two. There is a flat spot at about 11 on the 0 which does make it look a little rounder, but it's a characteristic of that variety, at least in common die states.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 7929936, member: 21705"]I see nothing obvious which would make me not think this was a S-237 including the Reverse which shows a couple of die subtle die cracks from the rim to the top of M and through I. The crack on the right fraction bar and from the rim through N to the leaves is also present. I don't see the TAT rim break of the terminal die state, but something looks like it's starting there so definitely a late die state. The Obverse has the broken lower left foot of Y which helps differentiate it from the obverse of S-235 which is close to a twin. I don't like using the opposite side of a coin to differentiate varieties. I could miss a mule that way. Strangely enough, it's one of the few varieties of 1802 I don't have since I concentrated on the rarer varieties. I show it as an R3 rarity. Others are S-225 R3-, S-227 R2, S-228 R2, NC-2 R6 (thought I had one, but was S-230), S-233 R2+ and the above mentioned S-237 R3. I look for rarer die states on the more common varieties. If it's a fake, it's a very good one and would have to be a transfer die to retain the markers I mentioned. But I can resolve the Attribution of this coin or the mother coin if it is indeed a fake. It is definitely not different from known varieties, though there are a few stem directions which might be affected by natural copper movement and wear. It's close to a fallen berry stem, but not quite. More parallel than falling. I see nothing wrong with the 0. In fact, the 2 looks a little more different than my comp, but not enough that it can't be accounted for by a minor ding or wear on either of the two. There is a flat spot at about 11 on the 0 which does make it look a little rounder, but it's a characteristic of that variety, at least in common die states.[/QUOTE]
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