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Message:: [QUOTE="Dougmeister, post: 3073157, member: 56842"]IMHO, not VF25, nor even VF20, according to ANA grading standards: VF20 Obverse<ul> <li>>1/2 of hair details show (yes)</li> <li>Forehead and bust are worn but bold. (yes)</li> <li>Parts of drapery are smooth. (yes)</li> <li>Letters and star centers are plainly visible (letters=yes, star centers=no)</li> </ul>Reverse    <ul> <li>Head and breast are worn but some feathers are visible. (no feathers visible on head or breast)</li> <li>Some lines in shield are merged together. (yes)</li> <li>~3/4 of wing details are clear. (debatable; I say "no", but you can disagree)</li> <li>Motto is complete (definitely not)</li> </ul>Having said all of that, I will also say that TPGs also go easy on the grading of these old, large coins. It is difficult, in my opinion, to find them problem-free, thus the prices are usually inflated. I'd put it between F12 and VF20. Have you searched <a href="https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=790+231+378&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchboolean&D=1800+VF20+NOT+cleaned+NOT+plugged+NOT+damage+NOT+polished+NOT+graffiti&Ntt=1800+VF20+NOT+cleaned+NOT+plugged+NOT+damage+NOT+polished+NOT+graffiti&ic4=KeywordSearch-A-K-071316" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=790+231+378&Ntk=SI_Titles&Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchboolean&D=1800+VF20+NOT+cleaned+NOT+plugged+NOT+damage+NOT+polished+NOT+graffiti&Ntt=1800+VF20+NOT+cleaned+NOT+plugged+NOT+damage+NOT+polished+NOT+graffiti&ic4=KeywordSearch-A-K-071316" rel="nofollow">Heritage completed auctions</a>? I did a quick search and see several that have sold this year so far for <$2k that look pretty nice.[/QUOTE]

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