1800 Draped Bust Silver Dollar grading question

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  1. DoubleDiamond

    DoubleDiamond Member

    Draped Bust 1.jpg Draped Bust 2.jpg Hi everyone,

    What grade do you think this coin is worthy of?

    I'm thinking...64? :pompous:
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    I'm thinking its possibly fake?looks to good and especially since its not certified where or how did you get it?
     
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  4. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Gump Runner.
     
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  5. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis #CoinUp Supporter

    Little confused with the Fugio reverse and the ship paintings in the post. Both are cool though.
     
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  6. DoubleDiamond

    DoubleDiamond Member

    I got it from an auctioneer in the UK. It's more than their reputation is worth to sell something that isn't authentic. Suffice to say they know what they're talking about. Indulge me anyway, if it was real what grade would you give it?
     
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  7. DoubleDiamond

    DoubleDiamond Member

    Thanks Evan, On it!
     
  8. DoubleDiamond

    DoubleDiamond Member

    What's a Gump Runner?
     
  9. DoubleDiamond

    DoubleDiamond Member

    Thanks by the way Potty for replying. You are absolutely right of course that it could be a fake, nothing is certain but I do believe that it is the real deal so to speak.
     
  10. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Please elaborate as to what you see here that makes you think it might possibly be a fake. "looks too good" and "not certified" does very little. There are many coins such as this that have been buried in someone's collection for a long time and are just now seeing the light of day. Plus I should mention, that there are 10 different varieties of this coin and date listed in Numismatic News currently. This coin is much more complex than many others. Thanks.
     
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  11. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I been lurking on this one. I will say up front that I am not an expert on early dollars. But I too like this one. I like it a lot. Yes, it is a bit nervy to see a coin of this caliber unslabbed. But coming from a highly regarded auction house... Man, I would be all over it too. Looking forward to the experts jumping in on this one.
     
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  12. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I don't see anything about this coin that screams "fake". It has the correct obverse and reverse for the BB-193 die marriage and has the correct reverse die cracks for Die State II. I don't see any evidence of a cast coin and the strike looks to be correct for this era and die marriage. Beyond that, I would need to rely on an expert in the series to make a more definitive determination.

    As to grade, it is nowhere close to mint state. I grade it as XF-45 by the standards of PCGS Photograde. It shows the remnants of an old dipping but so do many if not most old coins and this one looks market-acceptable to me. A few small rim issues do not detract much nor merit a details grade. Fields are generally good.

    Overall it seems a nice coin to me but I hope you did not pay AU much less MS money for it.
     
  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I am running to get it, and will keep running until I get there.
     
  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    From the movie, “Forest Gump,” “Run Forest run!” as fast as you can away from this deal.

    It seems like we might be getting a little paranoid here. I don’t see anything wrong with the coin. It is sharp and well struck with light wear.

    I could see this getting into an AU holder. It’s been dipped long ago, but it still could make AU-50 or AU-55 in an NGC holder. PCGS might be tougher on it.
     
  15. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    This was the review I was waiting for. If it has @johnmilton seal of approval, it is a good coin.
     
  16. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Excuse me, but no.
     
  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Huh?

    On virtually every coin site I’ve been on, when someone refers to Forest Gump running, they are referring to people getting away from a deal ASAP because it’s a scam.
     
  18. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    Which part of @johnmilton 's post are you taking exception to? The Forrest Gump part or the authenticity part or the grading part?

    If it's the grading part, I too could see it getting into an AU-50 (but not 55) holder but I think it's a solid 45 for the reasons I stated.
     
  19. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Oh. I see.
    I am not someone. I am me.
    But, I understand why you think so. I have not encountered on a coin forum the references that you have.
    I do appreciate your clarification of what I stated, though.
    So, but no.
     
  20. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Mr. Gump.
     
  21. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Thats why I also said where or how you got it?but I guess your eyes are to small to see that your a munchkin after all.Of course since the op bought it from an auction its %99.99 most likely real.I agree with the grade assumptions above.
     
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