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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 1847970, member: 21705"]I concur with Conder's second look. Sheldon's Obverse 2 (S-192/S-193) has the HWH on the left side of the upright of R. The easier way for me to differentiate it is the gap between E and R being wider than on Obverse 3. The more difficult determination is the Reverse; however, the obverse has an additional feature inside the second 0 in the date which looks like damage, but which is some type of chip or rust feature from the die. I see it on the comps for the S-192, but not on the comps of S-193. While I do not know if this is diagnostic, it certainly makes the S-192 the more likely candidate. I also note the wear pattern shows more wear below the crack of Reverse C without showing the crack itself, so definitive attribution is still elusive.</p><p><br /></p><p>After reviewing Breen's Encyclopedia, it appears both S-192 and S-193 mention the same rust areas around the second 0 of the date. All Die State markers on both varieties are entirely constructed on the die progression of the reverse dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>An interesting possibility is the early die states of the varieties where the usually diagnostic cracks have not yet appeared.</p><p><br /></p><p>Any new photos should include the space above the E of AMERICA since the S-193 has a marker there.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll say S-192 after zeroing in on the berry and stem above and left of O(N). The S-192 stem attaches high on the berry and the S-193 stem attaches at the middle of the berry. I think there is enough there to indicate the stem attaches high on that berry.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 1847970, member: 21705"]I concur with Conder's second look. Sheldon's Obverse 2 (S-192/S-193) has the HWH on the left side of the upright of R. The easier way for me to differentiate it is the gap between E and R being wider than on Obverse 3. The more difficult determination is the Reverse; however, the obverse has an additional feature inside the second 0 in the date which looks like damage, but which is some type of chip or rust feature from the die. I see it on the comps for the S-192, but not on the comps of S-193. While I do not know if this is diagnostic, it certainly makes the S-192 the more likely candidate. I also note the wear pattern shows more wear below the crack of Reverse C without showing the crack itself, so definitive attribution is still elusive. After reviewing Breen's Encyclopedia, it appears both S-192 and S-193 mention the same rust areas around the second 0 of the date. All Die State markers on both varieties are entirely constructed on the die progression of the reverse dies. An interesting possibility is the early die states of the varieties where the usually diagnostic cracks have not yet appeared. Any new photos should include the space above the E of AMERICA since the S-193 has a marker there. I'll say S-192 after zeroing in on the berry and stem above and left of O(N). The S-192 stem attaches high on the berry and the S-193 stem attaches at the middle of the berry. I think there is enough there to indicate the stem attaches high on that berry.[/QUOTE]
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