1798 S-180 large cent

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  1. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Active Member

    Pretty rough scudsy coin with lots of corrosion but it is an R-5 coin. CQR lists a scudsy AG-3 value at $250. Lots of detail left on this one so it may net down to about AG-3?? Not sure if I overpaid at $86 but the other S-180 coins were considerably higher on e-bay.
     

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  3. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Looks like a candidate for some conservation. I can’t speak to the value. For me, it would be a pass, but some people can do some wonders with such coins.
     
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  4. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-161 Die states D/G per Noyes Photos.
     
  5. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Lot of meat on that ground find. A long soak in verdicare I think would help it
     
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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Marshall beat me to it. Not a S-180, S-161 an R-1 coin. That rev cud trips up a lot of people into thinking they have a 180

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    rev of 180
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  7. jerryc39

    jerryc39 Active Member

    Thanks for the attribution help.
     
  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    In the event that you run across the earliest die state of either of these two reverses (P on the 161 or CC on the 180) with the obverse unidentifiable, it would take some effort to distinguish between the two reverses. Differences between the two are more subtle than variations of strike on either.

    I suspect there was experimentation with a Hub Die in 1798 which led to the Hub die used in 1800 and this could be evidence for that. In this event, the touch up work with the fraction, bar and stems would be the key to distinguishing between them.

    If either reverse die (in it's early state before the breaks) were used with the other's usual obverse pairing , it could have gone unnoticed to this day.
     
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  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    There was. Somewhere around 1798 S-172 thru 1800 S-212 are all from the same rev hub.
     
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  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Thank you. It matches my experience, but I don't recall reading it anywhere.

    But since Reverse CC matches the Reverse P so closely, perhaps it was used earlier or the S-161 was actually produced later.
     
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