1798 Draped Bust Large Cent Rotated Die - no big deal?

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  1. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

    SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom Well-Known Member

    While this coin is far from a beauty it IS mine, and I've been trying to determine if the die rotation adds any collectibility to it or not. From what I read, I hear that die rotations are rampant in the early US Mint efforts but then I see some people making a big deal about it, or at least when they're trying to get you to buy one from them. I realize this coin is a filler at best, but until I can afford one in a better grade, it's my 18th Century type piece. Should I consider the die rotation anything special or not?
    Thanks,
    Bill
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I'm not sure rotated dies would add any premium on the early stuff like this - after all, the US Mint was a far more primitive operation in that period.

    But it is a nice little bit of extra "character". A fun little quirk, if you will.
     
  4. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Rotated dies are much more common on early copper, however I keep any rotated dies, despite rarity. I find it fun to collect. Or, find the Sheldon and sub it to PCGS or ANACS and have it in a nice slab labeling both things.



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  5. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

    SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom Well-Known Member

    What's "Sheldon" refer to>
     
  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Google "penny whimsy". There's more to it, but will be a fine start.
     
  7. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Every single large cent minted from 1793-1814 has a Sheldon. Sheldon is a variety. I dont have a Sheldon because I dont have any cents that old, but I do have a Newcomb (large cents minted from 1816-1856) from 1835. It is N-19 and Type 5-K. The type is the die pairing, obverse (front) dies were given a number and reverse (back) dies a letter. The die is the piece of metal with an incuse design used to strike the coins. There are mutiple Sheldons for each date, depending on which dies were used.





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  8. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    @Marshall can attribute this for you, I am no means an expert.
     
  9. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    May need better pictures though.
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Definitely need better pictures. I can exclude the reverses of 95(96), but I can't even exclude style 1 hair with fuzzy images where the curl should be.

    Also, even though rotated, a photo with the top up on both obverse and reverse makes attribution easier. Markers are obscure, like hair position, date position, stem, leaf point and berry stem position.

    I see no obvious breaks that often announce their attribution at a glance.
     
  11. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

    SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom Well-Known Member

    Ah. Thanks...
     
  12. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    @Marshall - I believe it to be hair style 2

    @SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom - 1798 I'm finding out is one of the more difficult to attribute, as there were so many varieties. I spent 3 hours trying to attribute one the other night, and I think I'm no closer then when I started. I'm just learning to attribute, but I had someone check me, and while he hasn't made a full attribution, I wasn't even close.
     
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