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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 2783664, member: 21705"]Let me provide you with a better comparison photo of the variety then. There are six known obverses for the 1796 Liberty Caps with 7 reverses making up 11 known varieties or pairings. The original posting is obverse 1 paired with the first two reverses which make up varieties S-81 and S-82.</p><p><br /></p><p>Subject Photo:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644668[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This is Obverse 1 according to Sheldon which is Breen Obverse 2. (I know this gets confusing, but I believe Breen was jealous of Sheldon's notoriety and wanted his own system to replace Sheldon's so he changed it quite a bit)</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 1</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644667[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Note the left foot of the L just touches the cap which is a diagnostic for determining a particular die used in the making of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Other photos you used to compare it to are likely not that particular die which is a reason why it might look fake. But the size of the portrait is not different though the strike may be much better or worse giving it more or less depth.</p><p><br /></p><p>These are the other dies used that year for Caps:</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 2</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644673[/ATTACH]</p><p>Note that the L is very close but NOT touching the cap.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 3</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644674[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Note the L is a little bit further away from the cap and the 6 is substantially lower.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 4</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644675[/ATTACH]</p><p>This is similar from Obverse 1, but not the same. Note the spacing between 9 and 6 as the most obvious of several diagnostics.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 5</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644677[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This is similar to Obverse 2 with L close to, but not touching the cap, but the 6 and the 1 just touch.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obverse 6</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]644678[/ATTACH]</p><p>Note the L is just touching, but the date is spaced differently. Of particular note is the spacing to the point of the curl and the hair above the 1.</p><p><br /></p><p>All these are legitimate obverses and all have the L closer to the cap than on most 93-95s.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let me welcome you to the world of early date variety collecting where your sharp and astute observations will serve you well.</p><p><br /></p><p>These early dates have a much greater variety of differences than coins minted after the perfection of whole hub master dies.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 2783664, member: 21705"]Let me provide you with a better comparison photo of the variety then. There are six known obverses for the 1796 Liberty Caps with 7 reverses making up 11 known varieties or pairings. The original posting is obverse 1 paired with the first two reverses which make up varieties S-81 and S-82. Subject Photo: [ATTACH=full]644668[/ATTACH] This is Obverse 1 according to Sheldon which is Breen Obverse 2. (I know this gets confusing, but I believe Breen was jealous of Sheldon's notoriety and wanted his own system to replace Sheldon's so he changed it quite a bit) Obverse 1 [ATTACH=full]644667[/ATTACH] Note the left foot of the L just touches the cap which is a diagnostic for determining a particular die used in the making of the coin. Other photos you used to compare it to are likely not that particular die which is a reason why it might look fake. But the size of the portrait is not different though the strike may be much better or worse giving it more or less depth. These are the other dies used that year for Caps: Obverse 2 [ATTACH=full]644673[/ATTACH] Note that the L is very close but NOT touching the cap. Obverse 3 [ATTACH=full]644674[/ATTACH] Note the L is a little bit further away from the cap and the 6 is substantially lower. Obverse 4 [ATTACH=full]644675[/ATTACH] This is similar from Obverse 1, but not the same. Note the spacing between 9 and 6 as the most obvious of several diagnostics. Obverse 5 [ATTACH=full]644677[/ATTACH] This is similar to Obverse 2 with L close to, but not touching the cap, but the 6 and the 1 just touch. Obverse 6 [ATTACH=full]644678[/ATTACH] Note the L is just touching, but the date is spaced differently. Of particular note is the spacing to the point of the curl and the hair above the 1. All these are legitimate obverses and all have the L closer to the cap than on most 93-95s. Let me welcome you to the world of early date variety collecting where your sharp and astute observations will serve you well. These early dates have a much greater variety of differences than coins minted after the perfection of whole hub master dies.[/QUOTE]
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