1795 large cent variety?

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the help. I can't nail this one down.
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  3. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    That one seems to be an S-76b (if plain edge).
    If lettered edge and approx. 13 g weight, then S-76a and quite rare.
     
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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The edge is plain
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Yep S-76b. ONE CENT very high in the wreath with the point of a leaf close to the right serif of the E in ONE. That's the reverse of 76. The date is widely spaced so it is not the obv of NC-2 (which shares the same rev). Since it is plain edged that would make it 76b UNLESS the weight is around 13.48 grams. There ARE a few S-76b's known struck on unlettered 76a planchets.
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    My example of 1795 "S-76b":

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  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    This example will be in a new ICG "Not Genuine" holder.
     
  8. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Wow geez. I thought the date looked off. What are the markers? It's a little too sharp for such a porous, rusty planchet.
     
  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Date is good; several common marks to the genuine source example (not yet found).

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  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    These are getting SCARY good.
     
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  11. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    My first impression was positive. These are really getting deceptive - not good news.

    Here is mine, ex B&M 1986. No crushed berry, thank god.

    1795 cent s-76b OBV - 1.jpg 1795 cent s-76b REV - 1.jpg
     
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  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm probably seeing things, but the lower left serif of L(I) seems to be weaker or perhaps more distant from the cap on the counterfeit than the genuine. The close-up looks a little different than the full shot.
     
  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Had to post my coolest S-76b (genuine, goes back to a description by Sheldon):

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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    What is your process for determining that these are fake?
     
  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Much of the process is documented in my research articles; the specifics of this “variety” can be found on Coin Week at: https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/struck-counterfeit-coin-week-1795-s-76b-large-cent/

    There are some details I don’t discuss in these articles such as dimensional characteristics, weight, XRF metal content and edge appearance reviewed “in-hand” when possible.

    It also helps to find the “source” example and be able to distinguish between it and any unique characteristics present compared to the other example’s images.
     
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