1795 draped bust dollar counterfeit

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  1. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Looks Okay to me. If ANAC graded it and the holder hasn't been tampered with then what else can we say but genuine, no?
     
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  4. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    It looks genuine to me.

    It matches the BB-51 die marriage. The obverse is the correct off-centered bust for the die marriage-Check!. The B is directly over the highest hair curl-Check! The lowest curl is distant from 1-CHECK! The reverse is the correct one to match the obverse: Small Letters-Check! Eagle stands on clouds-Check! Right wreath is palms-Check! Left wreath is olives with seven berries-Check! Berry under A of STATES-Check!

    In addition to the die marriage characteristics, nothing about it speaks to a clever, well-done forgery.

    So, what about it gives you the willies?
     
  5. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    The appearance,it's dark cloudy texture had the look of a counterfeit to me.
     
  6. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It looks genuine, but the surfaces have been stripped at given a layer of artificial toning that looks really artificial. It was probably part of the plugging process.
     
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  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yes, the US Mint plugged it for sure especially since it's graded. Big ticket item, way beyond my finances! :D
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The Mint didn't plug it. It was holed by someone at 12:00 on the obverse after it left the mint and someone has plugged the hole and recolored the coin.
     
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  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Does NOT match the known Chinese counterfeit off-center bust dollar family.
     
  10. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Surely you jest:D...
     
  11. Jedinited

    Jedinited Jayhawk Numismatist

    Genuine and overpriced...
     
  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Yes, the price is too high even if the coin had not been holed and plugged.
     
  13. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

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  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The U.S. Mint drove additional metal into the planchets to increase their weight during 1794 and part of 1795, not to fill a hole that someone drove into the planchets.

    I might be wrong, but I believe that these "plugged pieces" were limited to the Flowing Hair type dollars which were struck a few months earlier that these pieces. I am not aware of any Draped Bust dollars that had plugs for weight augmentation.

    The Specimen Strike of the 1794 dollar, which is graded SP-66 and has changed hands for $12 million, has such a plug. Look at the area on Ms. Liberty's neck and jaw.

    1794 Spec O.jpeg 1794 Spec R.jpeg
     
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  15. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    The coin is real but, it wasn't plugged at the mint. The plugging was done to fill a hole drilled in it to hang on a chain.
     
  16. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    1795's are notorious for fakes. Yours has issues but does not appear to be fake. Good luck.
     
  17. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Not fake. However, it is in my opinion unattractive besides the hole/plug and not something I would want to spend $3k on.
     
  18. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    Here is my 1795 Bust dollar that was plugged/repaired. The repair was done in the T in LIBERTY. 1795 Dollar B14 OBV (2).jpg 1795 Bust Dollar Plugged Rev (2).jpg
     
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  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    @1865King, the obverse repair work on that 1795 dollar is scary good. The reverse is more obvious.
     
  20. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    There is a guy that does great work today. I don't know if he did my coin but whoever did it did a great job. One thing he does though is not make it perfect. You can see that when you look at the T. The person had the skill to make it almost impossible to detect. But left something that could be detected.
     
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  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    That would probably be Allen Stockton or his son who now runs the business.
     
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