1790? Portuguese ~36mm, 12.1gm Unknown Metal Coin, 20 Unknown Unit

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by wlwhittier, Dec 9, 2024.

  1. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Peripheral Member

    I have tried all 4 of the '20' denominations under Portugal at PCG World Coin...an' drawn blanks. The date is worn enough that the last digit may be a 6 rather than 0; I cannot say for sure. It is very uniformly tarnished (toned?), enough that I can't say it isn't copper, or that it is silver. The 0 in 20 is far more worn than other areas on the (obverse?). I'm lost, obviously. Any assistance will be most helpful, an' gratefully received...Thanks for lookin'!

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  3. derkerlegand

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  4. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    Portugal had so many colonies and possessions back in the day! Many of the coins can be obtained inexpensively.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    On the numista page it shows that these were overstruck on another coin does anyone know what they were?
     
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  6. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

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  7. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Peripheral Member

    All very interesting! Mine shows none of the evidence of overstrike that these other examples have...but the zero in the 20 is oddly 'smeared' an' I haven't figured out what caused that...I suspect a fouled or damaged die, but I'm not at all versed in those kind of things.
    Thank you, Each an' All...most sincerely for your illumination!
    EDIT: This lone example on eBay shows very similar smearing of that zero! The seller also has Silver as the material, but it's copper of course.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2567370474...PN9BBK9y5fhQmAPoH7ON3qYNk=|tkp:Bk9SR4Szy5v2ZA
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2024
  8. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I have a 1795 version of this. Definitely copper.

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  9. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    Here's my Azores overstrike. 1795 20 Réis
    I think they used a Portugal 10 Réis as the base coin.
    You can see quite a few details from the base coin under the "20" Azores 1795 20 Réis Overstruck copy.jpg
     
  10. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    You can see a lot of the under type on that one!
     
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  11. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    It is one of my favorite coins because of that. I don't have my notes with me but I was able to identify the under type.
     
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