179? Took a nasty hit

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  1. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    The last digit took a nasty hit. Wondering if anyone has any insight on what it could be. Perhaps @Marshall does?

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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    That is one rough looking coin. Good luck!
     
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  4. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    Years ago someone must have known if they damaged that last digit it would frustrate me! Haha
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    1798 S-145.
     
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  6. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    Was it the die chip that got you to that conclusion?
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Type 1 hair so it has to be 96, 97 or early 98. Other key features are the highest wave of the hair is below the left foot of the R, Rev type of 97, small fraction with wide spaced digits, and strong die cut joins right end of the fraction bar to the ribbon. Those features narrowed it down to 97 S-141 or 98 S-145. The spacing between the right stem and the leaf above doesn't match 141, and it does appear to have a die chip above the 1 and below the bow knot that matches 145.
     
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  8. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Looks like 1797 to me but Conder is saying 1798. Maybe someone was missing the 1797, so they just smoothed the last digit and replaced it?
     
  9. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’m going with 1798 s-145 too. Agree with Conder on it being one of the 2. I see the chip which makes me think 145 too. Looks like someone was trying to tool the date into something else and gave up. Likely a 9
     
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  10. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Ah, the sleuths seem to solve it again!!! Excellent!!!
     
  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    @Conder101 should change his name to Columbo101. Nice deductive reasoning! :)
     
  12. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Does he have an old, wrinkled trench coat?

    Chris;)
     
  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Maybe! All I know is that while I was reading his post, in my head I heard it being narrated in Peter Falk's voice. LOL
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I can't add anything other than to say I very much enjoyed the chosen descriptor. Nicely put... :)
     
  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I just logged on, but as Conder already mentioned, the style 1 hair limits it to 1796, 1797, 1798 or the first obverse of 1800. I'll check focusing on the reverse which has a distinct right fraction bar almost touching the right ribbon.

    As I expected, I concur with the S-145 from the reverse alone.
     
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  16. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    He would need to start the conversation by nonchalantly asking for a pen or matches and explaining how his wife (whom I'm still not quite sure ever actually existed) always....

    Are you guys sure this coin isn't a counterfeit? I can't get over the overall texture of the coin, even in the recesses, yet LIBERTY is still so well defined. The denticles look all out of whack. This isn't a series I'm intimately familiar with.
     
  17. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I wonder if this was an ill-fated alteration gone horribly wrong.
     
  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The extra long dentils show up occasionally in 97 and 98. The close date is common with the early 98s as is the Large 8 which is obscured on this example.
     
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  19. ronnie58

    ronnie58 Active Member

    Looks like the perpetrator was pretty sure he wanted it to say 1791. Got the spacing pretty decent. Maybe it was done at a time and place with scant numismatic information available (like out on the carnival circuit ~ 1900) - and the attempt was to produce 'the oldest U.S. penny ever seen' or some such.
     
  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That was the feature I honed in on. My first thought was S-140, but the T in LIBERTY was not defective. I had not memorized other relevant varieties, and I am too lazy to check your work. As usual, I think it is safe to assume you are correct.
     
  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The berry at (T)E is distant from both the leaves above and below unlike either the S-140 or S-141 where it is either into the leaves above or almost touching. Also, on the S-140 the AT almost touches and the S-141 the ER almost touch. On this, the spacing of each is centered between the adjoining letters.
     
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