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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 4950576, member: 66"]My view on that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Before 1775 we were colonies.</p><p>1775 hostilities began. We were colonies in rebellion.</p><p><br /></p><p>1776 Independence declared. Declaring independence does not make you independent. If it did there would be no reason to fight a war.</p><p><br /></p><p>1781 hostilities cease. But there was no peace treaty, and our independence had not been formally or officialy recognized. Hostilities could easly recommence.</p><p><br /></p><p>1783 Treaty of Paris. Britain formally recognizes and accepts that were are now independent of their control. THIS is where our independence actually begins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I chose 1793. The 1792 half dismes were issued after the Mint act of 1792 was passed, but that act also said that silver of gold coinage could not be issued until after the coiner and assayer had posted their bonds, and that didn't happen until 1794. So the 1792 could not be considered to be a legal coin at the time it was produced. (or at least they had no legal authority to produce it.) I would call it a token produced as a favor for Jefferson using mint equipment. It did not have legal authority.</p><p><br /></p><p>Actually I would say the first Federal coinage was the Fugio cent in 1787, issued by the Federal Government, via contract, under the authority in the Articles of Confederation. The fact that it was produced by an outside contractor and not directly by the government itself does not stop it from being a Federal coin. It was produced under a Federal contract.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It is a legally authorized state issue produced with Federal approval under the Articles of Confederation. (The overall government over all the states during the Confederation period is still the Federal Government.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 4950576, member: 66"]My view on that. Before 1775 we were colonies. 1775 hostilities began. We were colonies in rebellion. 1776 Independence declared. Declaring independence does not make you independent. If it did there would be no reason to fight a war. 1781 hostilities cease. But there was no peace treaty, and our independence had not been formally or officialy recognized. Hostilities could easly recommence. 1783 Treaty of Paris. Britain formally recognizes and accepts that were are now independent of their control. THIS is where our independence actually begins. I chose 1793. The 1792 half dismes were issued after the Mint act of 1792 was passed, but that act also said that silver of gold coinage could not be issued until after the coiner and assayer had posted their bonds, and that didn't happen until 1794. So the 1792 could not be considered to be a legal coin at the time it was produced. (or at least they had no legal authority to produce it.) I would call it a token produced as a favor for Jefferson using mint equipment. It did not have legal authority. Actually I would say the first Federal coinage was the Fugio cent in 1787, issued by the Federal Government, via contract, under the authority in the Articles of Confederation. The fact that it was produced by an outside contractor and not directly by the government itself does not stop it from being a Federal coin. It was produced under a Federal contract. It is a legally authorized state issue produced with Federal approval under the Articles of Confederation. (The overall government over all the states during the Confederation period is still the Federal Government.)[/QUOTE]
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