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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 4947235, member: 105571"]Someone will have to explain to me what this term "dirty money" is supposed to mean. Because other than outright contemporary counterfeits, there was nothing illegitimate about the state coinage issued during the period of the Articles of Confederation.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I think the familiarity concept has some merit as the Connecticut coppers do indeed have a design likeness to British coinage and it was always a challenge to introduce coinage and have it accepted by merchants and the public. But...</p><p><br /></p><p>The Connecticut Coppers of 1785 to 1788 are most definitely not counterfeit. They were struck by a private mint owed by Samuel Bishop, James Hillshouse, Joseph Hopkins, and John Goodrich in accordance with a granted right of the General Assembly of Connecticut on October 20, 1785. The authorization was for no more than L10,000 of lawful money in the form of halfpence of six penneyweight (144 grams) and to bear a design of a man's head on one side.</p><p><br /></p><p>The act also said "Nothing in this act shall be construed to make such coppers a legal tender in payment of any debt, except for the purpose of making even change, for any sum not exceeding three shillings."</p><p><br /></p><p>The Assembly four days later passed another act: "No person shall coin or manufacture any copper coin of any description or size without permission...from the General Assembly..."</p><p><br /></p><p>So, these Connecticut coppers were legal and struck under the authority of the General Assembly of Connecticut. Remember that the US won its independence in 1781 with Treaty of Paris signed in 1783. The former colonies, now neither colonies nor states, were more or less united under the Articles of Confederation until the Constitution was adopted, starting in 1787. The new United States did not pass a law creating a mint and coinage until 1792 and did not adopt decimal coinage until then.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are many different incarnations of the "man's head" on the Connecticut Coppers such as the Roman Head, African Head, Round Head, Double Chin, Broad Shouldered, Ornate Mailed, Scholar's Head, Small Head, Mutton Head, Horned Bust, etc. But none of them have been claimed to be a representation of George III.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, what is "dirty money"?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 4947235, member: 105571"]Someone will have to explain to me what this term "dirty money" is supposed to mean. Because other than outright contemporary counterfeits, there was nothing illegitimate about the state coinage issued during the period of the Articles of Confederation. I think the familiarity concept has some merit as the Connecticut coppers do indeed have a design likeness to British coinage and it was always a challenge to introduce coinage and have it accepted by merchants and the public. But... The Connecticut Coppers of 1785 to 1788 are most definitely not counterfeit. They were struck by a private mint owed by Samuel Bishop, James Hillshouse, Joseph Hopkins, and John Goodrich in accordance with a granted right of the General Assembly of Connecticut on October 20, 1785. The authorization was for no more than L10,000 of lawful money in the form of halfpence of six penneyweight (144 grams) and to bear a design of a man's head on one side. The act also said "Nothing in this act shall be construed to make such coppers a legal tender in payment of any debt, except for the purpose of making even change, for any sum not exceeding three shillings." The Assembly four days later passed another act: "No person shall coin or manufacture any copper coin of any description or size without permission...from the General Assembly..." So, these Connecticut coppers were legal and struck under the authority of the General Assembly of Connecticut. Remember that the US won its independence in 1781 with Treaty of Paris signed in 1783. The former colonies, now neither colonies nor states, were more or less united under the Articles of Confederation until the Constitution was adopted, starting in 1787. The new United States did not pass a law creating a mint and coinage until 1792 and did not adopt decimal coinage until then. There are many different incarnations of the "man's head" on the Connecticut Coppers such as the Roman Head, African Head, Round Head, Double Chin, Broad Shouldered, Ornate Mailed, Scholar's Head, Small Head, Mutton Head, Horned Bust, etc. But none of them have been claimed to be a representation of George III. So, what is "dirty money"?[/QUOTE]
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