1780 8 reales halved with Tortola stamp

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Nate D, Mar 25, 2014.

  1. Nate D

    Nate D New Member

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    Hello, I'm looking for info on a cut 8r coin. It's halved, just under 2 cm wide & almost 4 cm top to bottom. Weight of .316 oz, 8.97 grams.

    Very worn but still readable date and letters. '80 showing. Reverse is stamped Tortola.

    I'm wondering how frequently this cut/ counter stamp was done. I've read that Tortola is the most common marking but am having a tough time finding info/ varieties of Tortola stamps.

    Any shared knowledge is appreciated! I do realize this piece is probably not valuable but the history is interesting.

    I'm already ahead on this purchase as it's absolutely silver, found it hiding in a tub of Buffalo nickels & paid $1 on a whim :D
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Interesting! I didn't think it would be worth much but a casual search suggests otherwise, assuming it's a real reale.

    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/results.php?results=100&search=counterstamp
    (Use your browser's 'find on page' function with the search term 'Tortola')

    Looks like there is potentially great value for your coin!

    Here's a similar half which sold for $895 (plus Buyer's Premium) in January 2014:
    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...ot=27522&Val=59306ad4be83a208430ccf11704a0e19
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    And here's one which sold for $5,250 (+ BP) in January :eek::
    http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...ot=23227&Val=9933e5c2287e69783bf61c422a79da44
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    Here's a quartered 8 reale with Tortola counterstamp from an eBay sale. It sold for $400.

    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/British-Virgin-Island-Tortola-counter-stamp-on-1-4-cut-of-8-Reales-coin-RARE-/271227549203?nma=true&si=fr6FNS01Wbwy0CYyICy%2FCuUGKTs%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    At 8.97 gm, it appears to be significantly underweight. May not be real.
     
  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Very interesting type.
    Like TIF says, if it is a cut 8 reales it seems to be a bit underweight.

    This site lists auction prices realized many similar types: weight ranges from 11-14 grams. Wear and the fact that not always exactly 1/2 of the host coin was cut may account for the variance.

    http://www.mcsearch.info/search.htm...=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ol=1&sort=&c=&a=&l=#45

    I hope for you it is real (but it is a bit light).

    You may want to send a picture of it to Frank Sedgwick. He is an expert in this type of coinage.
     
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  6. Nate D

    Nate D New Member

    Thanks for the input. Those values are pretty exciting.

    The weight is wrong. That points toward fake, but I've read about variances in the weight of these.

    I do fully expect this is counterfeit, but I'm not missing the dollar I spent on it.
     
  7. Nate D

    Nate D New Member

    138.5 grains by the way image.jpg
     
  8. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Looks like it's cast. I love counterstamps and that would be a valuable coin if it were real. Still fun and I wouldn't miss that dollar either. Keep searching:)
     
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  9. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    ^ Agreed, coin and stamp were cast as one.
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Since I am not sure, are these coins measured by the troy ounce (31.10) grams rather than avoir. ounce (28.35 grams) ? I am not sure which of Nates measurements was accurate, the grams or the ounce figure. If the grams~ OK, if measured by avoir ounce and converted to grams, it could be off if troy.
     
  11. Nate D

    Nate D New Member

    Further research has proven it's counterfeit. Thanks for the input and interest!
     
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