1773 Georgivs lll Virginia no period

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  1. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Had my coin club last night, a member wanted me to buy a couple coins from him, which i did, this coin. so after looking up on ebay to my surprise this is what i found out. which i didn't have any idea took place. one would think it should be under World coins, but after you read this you will understand why i put it here.
    There's some things i will share after you read and see the pictures.

    Please add any helpful info or comments..
    George 3rd 001_opt.jpg
    George 3rd 002_opt.jpg

    This is the no period and 7 harp string var.

    Although the April 10, 1609 charter for the Virginia Plantation included the authority to mint coins the colony did not choose to exercise this privilege until May 20, 1773, when the Virginia Assembly authorized the coining of a halfpenny at the Tower mint in London. The coin, engraved by Richard Yeo, was made of copper at a weight of sixty halfpence to the pound. Five tons of halfpence (about 670,000 pieces) arrived in New York aboard the ship "Virginia" on February 14, 1774 but were not distributed until written royal permission was obtained about a year later. The Virginia treasurer, Robert Nicholas, published a notice bearing the date February 27, 1775 in all issues of the Virginia Gazette printed between March 2-16, explaining that "copper money is now ready to be issued in Exchange either for Gold, Silver or any Treasury Notes." Soon after the initial disbursement of the coins commenced, the Revolutionary war broke out in Massachusetts at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. Consequently Virginians hoarded the new halfpenny, along with all other copper coins, until the end of the war. Although the halfpenny contained the portrait of the king of England, it is clear these coins were used in Revolutionary and post war Virginia, for out of fifty-nine coins found during the restoration of Colonial Williamsburg, forty were Virginia halfpence.
    At some point during the Nineteenth century, Colonel Medes Cohen (1796-1879) of Baltimore acquired a large quantity of uncirculated specimens which he slowly sold off over a period of years. In 1952 Breen suggested Cohen found the halfpence in a government office in Annapolis then, later, in his Encyclopedia Breen stated Cohen had found a keg of the coins in Richmond sometime after the Civil War. In fact, nothing is known as to the quantity, location or date of the acquisition of these coins. We do know that in 1929 his descendants auctioned off all that remained of the find, some 2,200 coins. Several were in red mint condition but were either spotted or stained. Many of the halfpence were acquired by the dealer Waite Raymond and later resold. For additional information see the discussion by Q. David Bowers (who suspects the hoard was found in the 1870's) in his work cited below on coin hoards.
    The halfpenny displays the bust of George III on the obverse with the shield of Virginia on the reverse. There are several variants listed by Newman. He lists 13 obverse varieties with no stop after GEORGIVS (1-13) and 9 obverses with a stop (15 and 20-27). Two reverses have a harp with six strings (A-B), 15 varieties have seven harp strings (D-T, with no variety assigned to the letters I or L) and 5 varieties with eight harp strings (V Z). These 22 obverses and 22 reverses are found in 28 different combinations. There is also a nine harp strings reverse die that survives in the royal mint collection but does not appear to have been used for production as no examples have been found with that reverse. There is also a very rare larger size proof prototype, sometimes referred to as a "penny," and an extremely rare silver proof pattern dated 1774 that was engraved by Thomas Pingo, often referred to as a "shilling". Breen knew of six examples of this latter variety. The matrixes and device punches for the halfpenny still exist in the Royal Mint collection in London.

    References

    See: Eric Newman, Coinage for Colonial Virginia , Numismatic Notes and Monographs, no. 135, American Numismatic Society: New York, 1956 and his "Additions to Coinage for Colonial Virginia" in the American Numismatic Society's Museum Notes , 10 (1962) pp. 137-143 and plates 28-29; on the Cohen hoard see: Q. David Bowers, American Coin Treasures and Hoards and Caches of Other American Numismatic Items Wolfboro, N.H.: Bowers and Merena, 1997, pp. 30-31.

    The thing that i found is this coin weight and size are different than the book, apporx. 25mm x 7.70grm. my coin is 27mm x 11.63grm, when you look at the what looks like corrosion under a loup it looks like silver. In 1774 the made a silver shilling coin, pattern piece. so on the edge, i tested for silver and it is.
    So any helpful comments would be great.
     
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  3. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    I wanted to get a side shot of this coin to see the silver..

    Georgivs lll silver 001_opt.jpg
     
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  4. Lavabees

    Lavabees New Member

    That's a cool crest on the back, bro.
     
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  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Looks like a candidate for XRF testing, if you know anyone with an XRF tester.

    My bullion dealer will test anything portable for a small donation to the local Children's Hospital.
     
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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Looks more to me like a possible electrotype.
     
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  7. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Thank you for your comments, after C101 posted i went back and looked over the coin and i think your right about the electrotype. a very good one too! when i tested it for silver it held up well from the acid. but i think its lead. though it has a good ping when dropped on the counter.
    I learned a lot of early coin history, which is the now the best part of this story!
     
  8. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    If it is an electrotype I'd expect to see some evidence on the rim/edge where the front and back joined.
     
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