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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Paul M., post: 5288403, member: 73165&quot;]I agree with almost all of this.&nbsp; It&#039;s a very nice coin, and one <i>I</i> would gladly own, even in a details slab.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty thumbs down on details coins past about 1800 or so, with the single exception of early large cents, but, for this coin, the label wouldn&#039;t bother me a bit.</p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, with coins over 250 years old or so, you have to pretty much ignore details grades, anyway, and just buy the coin if you like the look of it, or don&#039;t buy it if you don&#039;t.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>+1 to this.&nbsp; At the very least, I&#039;d give it a shot at ANACS before sending it to PCGS.&nbsp; If ANACS details it, you&#039;re not out a ton of money.&nbsp; If they don&#039;t, you can either keep it as is, crack it, and decide later whether to send it to PCGS.&nbsp; If it were me, I&#039;d probably leave it in the slab regardless, just because I&#039;d feel silly paying money for a nice, protective holder that I was just going to destroy because I didn&#039;t like the label, but that might just be me.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t believe that as a general rule.&nbsp; I have an Alexander the Great drachm issued during his lifetime that&#039;s still as lustrous, bright, and white as the day it was minted.&nbsp; I find it hard to believe that coin had any significant cleaning done to it.&nbsp; It was probably dug up from an urn or something, so it didn&#039;t suffer the negative effects of burial and time.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve also got a silver coin from the early 1690s that&#039;s definitely not toned black, which I&#039;ve literally bet money that it&#039;s not cleaned.&nbsp; We&#039;ll see once PCGS gets done with&nbsp; it, I guess.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are plenty of 220-ish year old US silver dollars that haven&#039;t been cleaned and have a nice, steel grey patina to them.&nbsp; I won&#039;t be around to win a bet on this, unless life extension technology makes some major advances, but, theoretically, I would bet a significant sum of money that of those, the ones that remained uncleaned would not turn black or anywhere near it.</p><p><br /></p><p>I could give more examples, but I think everybody gets the point I&#039;m trying to make.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Well... no longer &quot;certified,&quot; but, pretty much any time a halfway knowledgeable collector or dealer looks at a coin, it gets &quot;graded.&quot; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; That&#039;s actually one of my pet peeves, using the word &quot;graded&quot; rather than &quot;certified.&quot;&nbsp; I don&#039;t generally complain much about it, because I know I&#039;ve already lost that war, but it&#039;s technically correct, and that&#039;s the best kind of correct. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, [USER=111228]@COOPER12[/USER], my advice to you would be to just ignore the label and enjoy your coin, at least until you want to sell. At that point, consider shipping it off to ANACS for their opinion, and, depending how that goes, also consider shipping it off to NGC.&nbsp; Regardless of how you or I feel about the details label on the slab, if you get it into good plastic, it will almost certainly sell faster and for more money than in the details slab.</p><p><br /></p><p>Incidentally, there&#039;s a parallel discussion involving similar issues <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/vespasian-and-coin-grading.371975/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/vespasian-and-coin-grading.371975/">over in the ancient coins forum</a>.&nbsp; My advice over there would be roughly the same, except that collectors of ancients tend to regard slabs as tombs, or, as I like to call them, &quot;annoying plastic deposits&quot;, that get in the way of handling their coins.&nbsp; That, plus the fact that very, very few coins over 400 years old are what you&#039;d call perfect pretty much means that things that would be considered problems on a modern coin really aren&#039;t on ancients.</p><p><br /></p><p>For instance, ancient silver coins commonly have test cuts which were made in antiquity to determine if the coin was pure silver or just plated.&nbsp; On a modern coin, that&#039;s a ticket to &quot;details -- damage,&quot; but, on an ancient coin, some people actually like them, kind of like chop marks on US Trade dollars.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, I&#039;ve ranted enough.&nbsp; I guess I missed this place more than I thought. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Enjoy your coin -- it&#039;s a nice piece.&nbsp; Who cares what NGC says about it, anyway?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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