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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Bardolph, post: 3111878, member: 96174&quot;]Hi, your “coin” is not the <u>exact same one</u> as the one on the internet, but one of a small number of identical modern productions which occasionally turn up. I can’t call them reproductions or copies, because no genuine 1663 Philip IV piece of eight is known to exist.</p><p><br /></p><p>I’ve down some further checking, and after trawling through the back years of a Spanish numismatic forum of which I am a member,&nbsp; <a href="http://www.identificacion-numismatica.com" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.identificacion-numismatica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.identificacion-numismatica.com</a> , I found yet another identical coin which was being offered for sale in December 2015 in La Coruña in North-West Spain, and which was roundly condemned by all and sundry as modern and false. The Madrid mint in 1663 was still producing hammered coins – this one is a casting.</p><p><br /></p><p>Nobody knows who has made these imitation coins, but he or she has some knowledge of the law as he clearly understood that under Spanish law there can be no successful&nbsp; charge for counterfeiting since there is no known original – and obviously some very good knowledge of 17th Century Spanish coins!</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the price, 4,800,000 pesetas – well, pesetas disappeared in Spain in 2002 with the introduction of the euro, but using the ptas/euro exchange rate and converting into USD, the asking price is a little over $33000. Anybody who paid the price has been well and truly fleeced.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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