1652 New England Coin

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by serj, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. serj

    serj Junior Member

    Hey I Have A 1652 New England Coin. I'm Not Trying To Sell It But I Want To Know If It Is Worth Anything. I Am New To The Coin Thing Would Really Appreciate The Help.

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    It is supposed to be a 1652 MASSACHUSETTS
    "OAK TREE" coin, but I am reasonably sure it is a counterfeit. Can you tell us how big it is ?
  4. constantine

    constantine New Member

    where did you get it? cos if it's real it'll be worth alot.
  5. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    Yeppers! Just like GD said, we need diameter and weight. Also, you need to do a magnet test with it (see if it's magnetic) then let us know the results.

    Ribbit :)

    Ps: Welcome to CoinTalk! :hail:
  6. billsaxon

    billsaxon Junior Member

    if it is magnetic what does it mean??
  7. acanthite

    acanthite ALIIS DIVES

    If it is magnetic, its a fake.
  8. hiho

    hiho off to work we go

    Quite a find if it's real.
  9. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    The style of the numbers in the date is way off. The coin is counterfeit!
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  10. illini420

    illini420 1909 Collector

    I'm voting fake, the lettering doesn't match the real deal.
  11. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    My two-cents:
    • Not a Willow Tree Sixpence. There was only one die combination for that type, and the specimen in question doesn't match.
    • Not a contemporary Oak Tree Sixpence. The reverse attribution resembles somewhat a Noe-19, however, the obverse does not. And it is my understanding that there is no other specimen with a die combination that includes a reverse Noe-19.
    • Not a Pine Tree Sixpence. No matching obverse and reverse attributions for any sixpence specimens.
    All that said:
    • The obverse tree roots look a bit "funny". And they match no varieties whatsoever in Whitman or Breen's - including other denominations. The "I" in 'VI' also looks a bit "funny".
    • Vlack and August consider the Noe-19 a 19th century reproduction. It would be unknown if perhaps it is an unattributed reproduction. But the probability of that is rather low. ANS has a Noe-19, and as per Newman, there are only 2 other known specimens of the Noe-19 variety itself.
    Therefore, it is probable that it is a modern counterfeit.
  12. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Moderator

    Definitely a counterfeit.
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  13. looks like pot metal
  14. shortyscwater17

    shortyscwater17 Junior Member

    just the other day i found this coin in a little coin purse and would just like to know if it looks authentic or a fake. thank you for any input ahead of time. The added pictures are about the best i can get right now. it measures approx. 1" in diameter and is approx 7-8 grams in weight. that is just using a home scale so i don't know how accurate it really is. i also did the magnetic test and it is not magnetic.

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  15. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    shortyscwater17 -> your posted photos are a bit small, and were shot at an angle where it's difficult to fully see your specimen. Please post larger photos of the obverse and reverse, preferable ones where the camera shots are directly over the specimen.

  16. Slim Pickins

    Slim Pickins Junior Member

    ...not trying to **** on your parade or anything like that...but I do agree that there needs to be some basic tests done to try and detect a counterfeit. Of course start with the magnet thing. Do some research on the original coins and I'm sure you'll find that someone out there has written an article here and there about how to detect colonial counterfeits. If it is in fact a counterfeit, don't panick, these have a collectible value all their own. More and more people are begining to collect counterfeits, especially the old ones. It will most likely still have a collector value if it was a colonial time period counterfeit or something like that. On the other hand if it was a recent one then it won't be worth much at all.
  17. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    I concur with Slim_Pickens. A whole subcategory of numismatics exists, dedicated to contemporary counterfeits. That is, "contemporary" typically meaning of the era that the genuine coinage was created by a mint, made for the purpose of being spent.

    Machin's Mills coinage is a nice starting point for learning about examples of contemporary counterfeits. A brief discussion can be found in A Guide Book of United States Coins 2010, R.S Yeoman, (c) 2009, pgs. 63-64, (AKA "The Red Book".)

    Another starting point for learning more about contemporary counterfeits, as well as 19th century counterfeits and fantasies, can be found in the Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins, Q. David Bowers, (c) 2009, Chapter 12.

    That said, I aver that replicas, copies, reproductions, and counterfeits originating from modern times (i.e., nowadays, like those produced in China) have limited numismatic value except for the purposes of learning about the techniques involved in the counterfeiting processes themselves, as well as for the discipline of detection thereof.
  18. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Sergi, do a specific gravity calculation for the coin. It has to be silver to be real. There are many varieties of the Willow 6 pence (different dies). If your coin is real, I could be worth as much as $225,000. Only 14 are known to exist. Ripley :confused:
  19. paulindelco

    paulindelco New Member

    1652 New England Massachusetts Coin - Repro or what

    I also have an interesting 1652 Massachusetts coin. I have enclosed 2 scans.
    And no it's not magnetic lol


    any help would be appreciated
  20. moneyer12

    moneyer12 i just love UK coins.......

    i also have a non magnetic copy but i know that mine is exactly that....................a copy.
    i picked it up as a space filler whilst i look for the real thing.
  21. paulindelco

    paulindelco New Member

    reply to ..............................copy

    Well thanks for sharing that you also have a coin, and the extra emphasis on ...............copy. I was hoping for a little more illumination on exactly what is was. My coin does not look like your profile pic, so unless you have some other pic to offer to compare against. I think I still need some info

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