1652 Masachusetsin Oak Tree Shilling. Real or Fake?

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  1. bdurand

    bdurand New Member

    Hi all. Just joined from Texas.

    Found two 1652 New England shillings in a retail shop over the weekend. Unfortunately they have been fashioned onto a necklace but do not have holes in the coins. They don't have any marking that are different from the ones I've seen online except a circular "O" shape that veils the "II" part of the "XII" on the back. See attached photos.

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  3. ratio411

    ratio411 Active Member

    Do they both have the odd circular shape over the roman numerals?

    I don't know about these coins, but find the thread interesting.
    My first thoughts are:

    *2 rare coins in 1 place, and both made into necklaces... How odd is that?
    *Both coins have an abnormal shape overlaying the central design... One genuine coin with an abnormality, maybe, two with the exact same abnormality, both in the same shop... No.

    Just my .02
    I hope I am wrong, but you know what they say about "too good to be true".
     
  4. bdurand

    bdurand New Member

    Yes, both coins do have the abnormality. I think you're right. That's what I thought too. I wonder still what the "O" represents and if these 'replicas' have any value?

    Thanks for the .02!
     
  5. nerarities

    nerarities New Member

    Hi All,

    These appear to be modern reproductions of an Oak Tree Shilling from Massachusetts. I do come across many of these that have been made into jewelry over the years. One of the big giveaways (minus the surfaces which are not right for MA silver) is the letter W in NEW ENGLAND. On all Oak Tree coinage the middle of the W crosses at the top and is connected with a line. There is no W that crosses like this one does.

    Keep in mind, just because a piece was made into jewelry does not necessarily make it a fake colonial. On EBAY in the last year a well known collector purchased an genuine Pine Tree Shilling (Noe 3) in XF45 made into a necklace (which seemed contemporary!) for $18 because everyone assumed that nobody would use a real coin. Well, we were all wrong! I saw and confirmed the piece as genuine at the ANA in Boston this year!
     
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  6. bdurand

    bdurand New Member

    Great info. Thanks a bunch. Any information on the "O" abnormality? Any significance?
     
  7. Krystal Chambers

    Krystal Chambers New Member

    I have one exactly like yours and I know nothing about it. Any info would be appreciated.
     
  8. Tone_

    Tone_ New Member

    Same here. I have the exact same coin and know nothing about it... It came from a deceased person who had many quality antique possessions from 1800's and 1900's . This person died in the early 2000's I believe if that helps. All of her stuff has been untouched untill recently.
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  9. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    It’s a modern cast copy. You can see the casting seam on the edge of the coin.
     
  10. harrync

    harrync Well-Known Member

    In my experience it is not that uncommon for a collection to be all genuine items - except for the very rare stuff.
     
  11. Tone_

    Tone_ New Member

    So is it worth anything even though it's a reproduction?
     
  12. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

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