Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by lordmarcovan, Jun 18, 2019.
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Because I'm stupid. LOL
No, seriously, this is one "unwritten rule" I tend to forget about from time to time (and really was mostly unaware of). That's the problem with unwritten rules. Twenty years ago, netiquette did not come naturally to me and had to be learned, after making many faux pas.
Anyway, I see the wisdom in the unwritten rule, now that it is mentioned. And really, posting about this coin worked against my own interests as a potential bidder, but at the time, I was (and still am) truly interested in knowing if anyone else thought the incuse lines on Elizabeth's bodice looked unusual. And there was a time factor if I wanted to bid.
Mea maxima culpa.
I am certainly not accusing the auction firm of anything. This is literally a matter of curiosity. Has anyone seen any hammered silver coins of this period that were tooled to enhance detail? The portraits of Elizabethan coins can be notoriously weak. They're in much lower relief than the ancients we usually discuss here.
I can relate. Why did I end up spending $240 (including auction fees and shipping) on this $130 - $150 coin?
"Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed...."
To this day it's probably not my finest auction moment ever.
At least you got a nice coin. I've got some nice coins I overpaid for. Better to overpay on a nice coin than a nasty one, right?
If that's your worst purchase, you've been remarkably fortunate!
I often do, but I submit some raw coins as well, and would rather not have "details" grades from PCGS. This is the reason for the question.
I was not questioning the authenticity or appeal of the coin at all. Merely wondering about the TPG grading odds. Perhaps I should have been more clear about that in the OP.
While people on the Ancients board are not the "go-to" folks for questions about TPG gradeability, they are good at recognizing things like subtle tooling. Hence the question being posted here, and not on World Coins.
You see, It pays to do some due diligence before TPG submission, if you want straight-graded material and not "details" grades.
If I may digress for a moment on that topic, I just got the news that my Reigate Hoard groat had a pleasant outcome.
Looks like this Lizzie sixpence went for $220 sans fee.
Considering the max bid amount I had asked my intermediary to place on my behalf, it seems probable that this one might be coming to live with me before too long.
This is a tiny coin, about the size of a silver 3 center. Amazing the engraver could put this much detail into such a tiny coin.
One dewy, foggy morning in November of 2013, I was on my knees in a fallow potato field in Little Bromley, Essex, looking down at the clump of muddy clay in my hand, from which a tiny hammered silver coin glistened.
When I saw the devices on it, I knew it was a postmedieval silver penny straight away. I immediately assumed it was a Lizzie, like your coin there.
It turned out to be later- a 1641-43 Charles I penny with a weak portrait. Such tiny coins!
Someone else in my detecting group did in fact find an Elizabeth I penny on the other side of the field that same morning. And I dug a 1730 farthing, too. The field in question had reportedly produced several Celtic gold staters on previous visits by the club.
You will appreciate it for a long time I bet
Here's my sixpence
Bonus points for making me Google what "hectoring" means.
I was called out once for mentioning the existence of a Frank Robinson auction, as if just talking about an ongoing auction would increase the bid price on the coins. I suppose this is possible, but it seems unlikely.
My Elizabeth sixpence is not in as good shape as his:
England Silver Sixpence 1561 Elizabeth I
Obverse: Crowned bust of Elizabeth facing left with a rose behind her head
Text: ELIZABETH D G ANG FR ET HI REGINA
(Elizabeth by the Grace of God, England, France and Ireland, Queen)
Reverse: Shield with arms (lions and fleurs-de-lis) and long cross
Text: POSVI DEV ADIVTOREM MEV (I have made God my Helper)
Tower Mint mintmark, a downward arrow on obverse at top right
Size: 27 mm, weight: 2.75 gm
I bought my sixpence as one Elizabeth sixpence has a very peculiar connection to California:
Separate names with a comma.