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  1. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening


    Agree with Doug. I don't think it is a decent strike, it is actually on the weak side of that date from New Orleans. Yes, most of their strikes are average to below average. However, this one I'd call fair. I have some issues with the grade, as opposed to how natural the toning is--I'd stand by the NT--it is natural looking to me, but I really think the coin looks more MS 64 to me than 65. The nick by the cheek is pretty significant for a 65+, and the reverse doesn't look as good as the obverse. I think it was market graded for toning.
     
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  3. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    At the $3600 price point for a common coin, it better knock my socks off. This one doesn't.

    I will agree with others that it seems to be market graded up a point; at the least, it does not deserve the "+" in my opinion.
     
  4. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Paul, I have seen some like that from New Orleans with a pattern a lot like that on the obverse. I'd call it environmental/humidity toning, from storage in a poor climate regulated facility. The mint storage and Federal Reserve facilities in New Orleans were notorious for hot, extremely humid conditions, and that with the interaction of the highly sulpuhurous Gulf of Mexico humidity (passing over the Southern Louisiana marshes) can cause some pretty vivid colors. In my opinion based on having some pretty vivid O mint coins, I'd say NT, just because of the storage/humidity factor.
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would say humid climate in an older album. I have personally taken out Peace dollars, franklins, and other coins from similar albums looking identical. Fresh silver coins, (never toned or cleaned), + old albums + warm moist environment = bright toning.

    The only other possibility in my mind would be end roll toning in a high sulphur roll. It might be similar to this, but I would wager album toning before roll toning.

    Either way I agree with Paul that in my opinion NT. Not worth that price in the LEAST to me, but NT. If AT, the man did a nice job, nice enough no one will ever tell.
     
  6. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Chris, we are in total agreement--whatever the toning situation, certainly not worth that kind of outlay, at least to me. I have the same date with very nice toning, and it cost me $100 in a 64. My coin isn't quite as dramatic, but has pretty, even toning, and the cost ratio is a bit different.

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  7. Pacecar

    Pacecar Well-Known Member

  8. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    Indeed. Probably a good time to link this thread by Camaro (for anyone interested in O Mint strike quality): http://www.cointalk.com/t56838/
     
  9. bahabully

    bahabully Junior Member

    Haha... so put another way.. which would ya'll prefer... 36 of these, or 1 of the other ; )
     
  10. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I don't think anybody could say a coin is 100% NT , today people can replicate nature almost at will , so unless you actually found a bag of Morgans that have been sitting in a vault for 100 years no-one can be sure . You can say it has all the hallmarks of a naturally toned coin but not that the coin is 100% a NT coin .

    Guess I should have read all the posts . Like Dougs and Pauls .
     
  11. theSharpGun

    theSharpGun The King

    Pretty and stunning coin! not worth the $3600 price tag though.
     
  12. Chiefbullsit

    Chiefbullsit CRAZY HORSE

    $3,600 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    Not me. I'd use it on that old $10 gold at FUN....:burger:
     
  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I like the reverse.
     
  14. Doug21

    Doug21 Coin Hoarder

    I like the reverse too, the obverse looks AT to me.
     
  15. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    No it is not.
     
  16. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I'll pass for that kind of money
     
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