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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Juan Blanco, post: 1609108, member: 41665&quot;]I agree with Tinpot on this very important point (and likewise plead TOTAL ignorance on aethetic valuation.) But I am fascinated by this coin market niche. </p><p><br /></p><p>Detecto&#039;s comment &quot;All I know is, that I&#039;ve seen toned coins bring more, every year&quot; rings somewhat true but I&#039;d qualify it: the &#039;toned coin mkt&#039; SEEMS to have held up better than other segments - compare VAMs! - but maybe that&#039;s more an (over-)emphasis on &#039;monster-toned&#039; (best) examples? </p><p><br /></p><p>For the inexperienced just peeking at prices, it would be easy to blur a) slight decline overall in aggregate value with b) significant price incease in monsters. Then again, I look at everything by-the-numbers, because number don&#039;t lie. otoh, collectors/dealers often do.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, collectors here REFUSE to admit that Norfed premiums have collapsed. The delusion of so-called numismatists on something as straight-forward as PRICE is especially alarming, for real prices are $ signs, market facts. ENOUGH of the goofy Beanie-Baby make-believe! &#039;Hard Money&#039; people really <u>should</u> get it - it&#039;s worth what it&#039;s worth. And YES, we should all learn something from that debacle. </p><p><br /></p><p>Suppose the VAM market has tanked too, for different reasons. Coins that were ~4x-6x Over Intrinsic (POS) in 2005 went parabolic, 27x Intrinsic in 2007; by 2011 &amp; in 2012 the same VAMs had fallen back to ~2x Instrinsic :<a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t216533/#post1561944" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t216533/#post1561944">http://www.cointalk.com/t216533/#post1561944</a> </p><p><br /></p><p>Why presume toned coin collectors to be any more honest with their valuations? Take everything with a grain of salt. I&#039;m inclined to see aesthetics/eye appeal as the most valid justification for paying a hefty premium. But I know that fads are fickle, tie-dyes go in and out of fashion too. <i>Whether or not</i> a &#039;Bubble&#039; forms and/or pops can ONLY be confirmed from price data. I haven&#039;t seen any studies on different segments of the toned coin mkt, with explicit histories. Any links, please?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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