$1,000 Safe for 104 seconds of Protection!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by princeofwaldo, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    A good thief knows how to dismantle an alarm system, so if you post a sign from a security company the thief will already know what they're up against.
    Best thing is don't advertise valuables & only you should know the actual layout of your home & where to put your valuables.
     
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  3. Speedbump

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    An RSC safes are not horrible. They are substantially constructed and tested unlike B or C rated safes. The 5 minute time only includes the actual time tools are in contact with the safe, similar to TL rated safes. The UL testers are also knowledgeable about forced entry into safes. Common burglars will typically not have this knowledge. If an RSC safe is anchored in a good location, in most cases, it would take much longer than 5 minutes to break into. Add in an alarm system going off and common burglars will likely give up in short order.

    Its also about what you are trying to protect and what against. If you are expecting a jewel thief to come break into your house, or you have a collection of exceptional value, then obviously you should be investing in higher end protection. If your are only concerned with common burglars, then an RSC would be good enough for most people.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I get your point but the number that would know how to dismantle one is quite small. And many of them are wireless nowadays so there is nothing they can dismantle.

    According to interviews done by law enforcement with thieves that break into homes 80-90% of them just walk away when they see an alarm company sign in the yard. That's a pretty effective deterrent.
     
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  5. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    The goal is to maximize the perceived risk and minimize the perceived reward.



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  6. bdunnse

    bdunnse Who dat?

    They'll just cut your internet access cable.
     
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  7. Speedbump

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    Many systems are cellular based or at least have the option to add it. A monitored system should also trigger a trouble signal if the monitoring station loses connection with a customer's property. The monitoring company would then contact you to see if there is a service issue or an actual security concern. No matter what, the monitoring company will know something is up.
     
  8. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    My thoughts exactly.
    I'm no thief but live in an area getting rough over the last decade.
    The thief's aren't as dumb as people seem to think. Technology isn't just enjoyed by the middle & upper class peoplet ya know.

    I have to add @Speedbump they can be hacked just like everything else. I use multiple security measures & firewalls online. I've been hacked & even had identity stolen.
     
  9. Speedbump

    Speedbump Not a New Member

    Purchase protection based on what you are protecting and the assessed threat. Common burglars are usually in and out within minutes, with or with out an alarm. An alarm system will expedite their exit and prevent anyone wasting time trying to open a safe when their are plenty of other things to grab.

    Your normal burglars are not going to have the knowledge to "hack" a good home security systems. A hardwired, non-internet dependent system would be difficult to compromise without physical access to the alarm panel and knowledge of the hardware type. They would need to break in, find the panel, and compromise the system within the deactivation period, typically 30 seconds assuming its not set to "instant". Protecting the alarm system is a physical security issue and can be dealt with if there is a serious enough concern about network security savvy burglars.

    Beyond that, you would need to compromise the back-end of someone like ADT or AT&T. If this is happening, then there is a much larger conspiracy going on. If there are people this sophisticated after you, there isn't much you can do.

    Today's easy install systems are not as secure as a traditional hardwired system. Wireless adds in yet another point of failure. Connecting to the internet adds another. Perform a threat assessment and buy what you need to match or exceed that thread. If you are concerned about burglars knowing how to defeat wireless security systems, make sure you buy something that negates that threat.
     
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  10. Smojo

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    Damn you've done your homework.
    I've been in the know on some local high end jobs yeah you're right as far as common petty burglars. But have seen were not so petty thieves have targeted homes with high value not so common items. Yes the thieves knew what they were after & how they were going to achieve the target. I'm just making a point that nothing is 100% secure.
    My insight is from relations with law officers not the thief, just to be clear.
    I'd be devastated to be broken into & robbed. Hate to hear honest people getting screwed out of anything.
     
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  11. Walkers

    Walkers New Member

    Where do boxes go when banks get rid of them?
     
  12. princeofwaldo

    princeofwaldo Grateful To Be eX-I/T!

    Great question, I'd love to install a "bank" of them in my garage!
     
  13. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    This is totally true. I used to sell security systems. There is research on this.
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And nobody is claiming anything IS 100% secure. But if it is effective 80-90% of the time - that's about as good as you can hope for.
     
  15. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Don't you guys know that over 95% of thieves knock first, er I mean ring the doorbell. You're kinda screwed if they knock :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

     
  16. Speedbump

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    The bank will liquidate them. Sell them off to some security or safe company, maybe even the same company they bought them from.
     
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