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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Bones-65, post: 8245207, member: 136030&quot;]There isn&#039;t really a way to run the numbers on your question so some speculation is required LoL! I would &#039;Think&#039; taking in that the alteration process isn&#039;t production line process, they have to have a coin, they have to work at the alteration aspect of it, where as say a foreign counterfeiting setup gets things ready, gets a source of metal, and starts cranking out counterfeits.</p><p>///</p><p>More of this type or more of that type?</p><p>A little more speculation LoL based on what I&#039;ve seen in my findings of searching for these phonies for the past nearly two years.</p><p>Altering say a 09-S to include designer&#039;s initials requires searching &amp; finding a semi key dated coin to alter, well that for sure sets limits on how many of them might make it into what I&#039;ll call circulation, so I&#039;d say the the altered 09-S is the lest of the phonies out there.</p><p>///</p><p>So, that leaves the more likely coin to be altered just due to the fact that they can be bought in rolls of 50 at Flea markets, Fleabay, etc.... and pretty cheap at that. (speculation) and that&#039;s the 09P-VDB. Of course the alteration to this coin is to add an &quot;S&quot; mint mark. How is that done? the best answer I can give is solely based on handed down information from a good number of active forum members on coin forum&#039;s (not personal experience).</p><p>I&#039;ve heard some are glued on, some soldered on, but here heat damage on the coin has to be dealt with.</p><p>The other method mentioned was embossing, but that method had a good number of rebuttals followed claiming that that process is done on larger silver coins, but not Cents, they&#039;re two small &amp; to thin????</p><p>///</p><p>Back to what I feel (speculating) would be the most common 09SVBD phonies out there, &quot;Counterfeits&quot;</p><p>I find lots of them listed in single listings of course, but on a number of occasions I&#039;ve found China listings (really located in China) where the seller&#039;s were selling them in group lots of 40 and with 10 or more groups available, and that&#039;s just on Fleabay! these seller&#039;s has flea market peddlers that will sell these garbage coins all day long.</p><p>Another way these counterfeits get distributed is Estate sales! I found out several years ago (in my area) that there is people who are hired to actually do the Estate sales for a CUT of the sales, I also KNOW that they can and do setup there own tables of stuff that wasn&#039;t the home owners, Coins &amp; Jewelry (Flea Market type stuff) is easy to pack up and move around.&nbsp; </p><p>There is also CHINA online catalogs full of all kinds of counterfeited coins including SVDB&#039;s. Most of these catalogs will show pictures of coins stamped &quot;COPY&quot; in a good number of cases coins are being SHIPPED not stamped.</p><p>///</p><p>What information I can find online, the general consensus seems to be that the 09SVDB is the most counterfeited of ALL US COINS! (The King Of Lincoln&#039;s) followed by 1916-D dime.</p><p>Also the general consensus is that the counterfeits (including altered) of these two coins out number of the US minted genuine coins![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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