09 S VDB

Oh ok....

 

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Darn. I know better. I need to play nice.
It would be really funny if the coin turned out to be real.

 

I will beyond surprised if any TPG thinks it is authentic. Hope @Broncoholic lets us know the results egg does not look good on my face.

 

I'm sure it will be right in line after rareTims 69s.
That 09S VDB is fake.

 

Sorry - it is fake

 

Mintmark looks added. But the coin itself looks genuine.

 

We need this guy in the thread. @Insider

 

100% ALTERED COIN. This coin is a genuine 1909 VDB cent with an added "S." The shape of this "S" is the typical style of the fakes seen in the 1970's.

 

What would be fun is to have a bunch of CT members at TG dinner together! Best collecting to all.

 

Broncoholic, posted: "Learning" would require a tad bit more info than "It's not real." But thank you for taking the 3.2 seconds of your day to make us all smarter."

Hey pal, There is an old saying in numismatics..."buy the book before the coin." If you would have taken 3.2 seconds to look on the Internet, several here would have not needed to post. BTW, @ldhair is very knowledgeable. I should guess it took him less than 0.1 second to see the coin was altered. The other 3.1 seconds involved informing you.

 

I too am leary of the s placement and as mentioned the serifs do not line up. In an earlier time I was somewhat of a key date lincoln guy in my area. Someone once told me the mint made aprox 284K of these and there were about 750K of them floating around. Hope you can return if necessary.

 

Perfect !!!!

 

Huh?
what is perfect?

 

Great find !!!

 

This is a great visual aid for this...very cool way of displaying it.

 

The following are diagnostics on a GENUINE S-VDB:
1. The "S" mintmark must have sherifs which are vertical and parallel to each other.
2. A small die chip is usually visible at the inside back of the upper loop of the "S".
3. High grade specimens will often show a depression in the upper serif of the "S".
4. The center crossbar of the "B" in the VDB on the reverse must be diagonal, not horizontal.

I don't see these characteristics on your coin.

 

The mintmark looks a little chunky!

 

My first impression without reading thru the blog is wrong mintmark placement. I've never seen the "S" in that loc. before.

 

Well, I will be the first to admit that I am an amateur coin collector. And, many times I seem to be 'educated beyond my intelligence'. But, what I am, or maybe have been, is a carpenter. And, I can see when something is off center (you learn from your mistakes, lol). And, while I know I haven't seen all the "vdb" coins there are, I've never seen one that the "vdb" is not centered between the two stalks (if they're not called stalks, forgive me). So, if there is "one" where they aren't centered, you've maybe got the "second" one. If they are all centered, then I am sorry for your "fake" coin.

 

The 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent was produced using 4 different obverse dies. At this time, the mint marks were hand punched into the dies (verses being on the hub like they are today). As a result, each of the 4 obverse dies has the mint mark in a slightly different spot. If the mint mark is not in one of those 4 spots, it is a fake. Simple as that.

Here is a link to show the 4 different mint marks.

https://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs-Authentic-1909-s-Vdb-Lincoln-Cents