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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4277754, member: 110350"]Wow. What exactly made this teenage boy a creep worthy of "extermination" other than his unusual religion and the fact that he was gay and/or transgender? (Hardly the only Roman Emperor with the former orientation! Let me introduce you to Hadrian and Antinous. You should read Marguerite Yourcenar's <i>Memoirs of Hadrian. </i>Not exactly action-packed, but highly worthwhile nonetheless. Yourcenar, by the way, was my mother's teacher at Sarah Lawrence, and they became friends -- probably because they were two Europeans who didn't have much in common with most of the Sarah Lawrence undergraduate population back then.) </p><p><br /></p><p>Considering all the murders and atrocities that certain other Emperors committed every day and twice on Sundays, Elagabalus hardly seems to merit such extreme condemnation for any reason beyond left-over Victorian fastidiousness and general bigotry. (Even assuming all the ancient claims about him are true.) Please show me the evidence of arbitrary mass executions and other murders! Have you used the same condemnatory language about Emperors who clearly were guilty of such atrocities?</p><p><br /></p><p>In any event, here's my one "horned" Elagabalus coin. (I totally buy the bull's penis theory, by the way. From everything I've read, it's wholly consistent with Eastern religious practices. And it isn't as if Romans didn't engage in lots of phallic imagery themselves!)</p><p><br /></p><p>Elagabalus AR Denarius, 221-222 AD, Rome Mint. Obv. Laureate, horned & draped bust right, bearded, IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG/ Rev. Elagabalus standing left, sacrificing from patera over lit tripod altar, holding branch, star in field left, SVMMVS SACERDOS AVG. RIC IV-2 146, RSC III 276 (bearded), Sear RCV II 7549. 17.71 mm., 3.97 g.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1088656[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>An interesting reverse image, I think. To me, it looks like he's wearing pants, rather than robes as described. If so, that's another unusual practice for a Roman Emperor![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4277754, member: 110350"]Wow. What exactly made this teenage boy a creep worthy of "extermination" other than his unusual religion and the fact that he was gay and/or transgender? (Hardly the only Roman Emperor with the former orientation! Let me introduce you to Hadrian and Antinous. You should read Marguerite Yourcenar's [I]Memoirs of Hadrian. [/I]Not exactly action-packed, but highly worthwhile nonetheless. Yourcenar, by the way, was my mother's teacher at Sarah Lawrence, and they became friends -- probably because they were two Europeans who didn't have much in common with most of the Sarah Lawrence undergraduate population back then.) Considering all the murders and atrocities that certain other Emperors committed every day and twice on Sundays, Elagabalus hardly seems to merit such extreme condemnation for any reason beyond left-over Victorian fastidiousness and general bigotry. (Even assuming all the ancient claims about him are true.) Please show me the evidence of arbitrary mass executions and other murders! Have you used the same condemnatory language about Emperors who clearly were guilty of such atrocities? In any event, here's my one "horned" Elagabalus coin. (I totally buy the bull's penis theory, by the way. From everything I've read, it's wholly consistent with Eastern religious practices. And it isn't as if Romans didn't engage in lots of phallic imagery themselves!) Elagabalus AR Denarius, 221-222 AD, Rome Mint. Obv. Laureate, horned & draped bust right, bearded, IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG/ Rev. Elagabalus standing left, sacrificing from patera over lit tripod altar, holding branch, star in field left, SVMMVS SACERDOS AVG. RIC IV-2 146, RSC III 276 (bearded), Sear RCV II 7549. 17.71 mm., 3.97 g. [ATTACH=full]1088656[/ATTACH] An interesting reverse image, I think. To me, it looks like he's wearing pants, rather than robes as described. If so, that's another unusual practice for a Roman Emperor![/QUOTE]
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