“Dark Side” TPG Grade and Authentication Challenge #6- 1854 Huge O Quarter

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Jan 13, 2020.

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Guess the original TPG Grade of this example?

Poll closed Jan 16, 2020.
  1. F-15

    3 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. VF-20

    3 vote(s)
    20.0%
  3. VF-35

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  4. VF Details

    6 vote(s)
    40.0%
  5. Counterfeit and grade doesn't really matter!

    4 vote(s)
    26.7%
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  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    One thing I noticed is my coin is discolored in the area of the repair for what that's worth! You can actually see a round lighter area under the 8th star that looks somewhat circular.
     
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  3. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    This is what I notice as well, and pretty much guarantees it to be the host coin for the counterfeit dies.

    The second example, however, has a lack of clarity in the devices that makes it look like it was struck worn. Notice how the repaired area (particularly under the hole on the reverse) was further manipulated on the counterfeit dies.
     
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  4. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    And of course the beat goes on...

    These two different examples were sold in Internet auction venues:

    11-11-15-combo.jpg
    11-16-16-combo.jpg
     
  5. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Same divot by star no 1 same roughness by the arrowheads same longer poorly detailed claws. Those 3 tells are now committed to memory and along with the scratches they seemed to have removed more are a quick sketch on how to detect this fake
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    My main attribution marks from the original research on these:

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  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    OK, nearing the end with this post; thought I would show the damaged source coin in the original slab prior to showing the OP example (image courtesy Heritage):

    source-o.jpg source-r.jpg
     
  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    OK, final "answers"!

    Many graded it like the TPG:

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    Due to the toning and appearance relative to the others it is believed that this is the repaired genuine source.

    Thanks again for the participation and responses to these "polls"; just another way to try and get the message out about the threat of these deceptive "coins".
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2020
  9. Chuck_A

    Chuck_A Well-Known Member

    Thank you Jack for a very educational post.
     
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  10. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the note Chuck; have a couple of other "subjects" that I may share in the future.
     
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  11. Chuck_A

    Chuck_A Well-Known Member

    Looking forward to the next "subjects" I lack the experience that others have, it's enjoyable nonetheless.
     
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  12. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Thank you Chuck_A; pulling some info together on an early large cent.
     
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