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<p>[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 24173343, member: 46237"]You still have not explained the importance of doing this. You can obviously have a grading standard different from the one you are describing. One in which differentiating "MS" coins is irrelevant. As I demonstrated, the concept of "MS" coins itself is an illusion. By "MS" coins you really mean less damaged coins where the damage arbitrarily is not from what you determine to be friction from wear.</p><p><br /></p><p>All one has to do is travel abroad to see that the Sheldon scale is neither absolutely correct nor is it the only way to grade coins. Or even right here looking at the grading standards for ancients - they differ quite significantly as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>But it was over a hundred years ago when collectors, dealers, the numismatic community in general, began trying to figure how to establish grading standards and what grading standards should be used.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p><p>People have been making mistakes for thousands of years. There is no correlation whatsoever between the age of a standard and its correctness. If anything, the opposite is true, as given enough time working with a standard people will realize the flaws and make modifications. And lo and behold that's exactly what you're seeing happening with market grading and with concepts like NGC X.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have a strong suspicion that there are a lot more people dissatisfied with the grading standard than you give them credit for. They are simply less outspoken. What you interpret as a TPG conspiracy across the board to loosen grading standards is instead a cultural shift among numismatists toward a better implementation of the grading standard. One that is more pragmatic regarding the equivalence of damage and less caught up on the importance of wear for the sake of adhering to outdated standards without any real justification for doing so. One that is also more closely aligned to the grading standards used by other categories of graded collectibles across the board.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelus, post: 24173343, member: 46237"]You still have not explained the importance of doing this. You can obviously have a grading standard different from the one you are describing. One in which differentiating "MS" coins is irrelevant. As I demonstrated, the concept of "MS" coins itself is an illusion. By "MS" coins you really mean less damaged coins where the damage arbitrarily is not from what you determine to be friction from wear. All one has to do is travel abroad to see that the Sheldon scale is neither absolutely correct nor is it the only way to grade coins. Or even right here looking at the grading standards for ancients - they differ quite significantly as well. But it was over a hundred years ago when collectors, dealers, the numismatic community in general, began trying to figure how to establish grading standards and what grading standards should be used.[/QUOTE] People have been making mistakes for thousands of years. There is no correlation whatsoever between the age of a standard and its correctness. If anything, the opposite is true, as given enough time working with a standard people will realize the flaws and make modifications. And lo and behold that's exactly what you're seeing happening with market grading and with concepts like NGC X. I have a strong suspicion that there are a lot more people dissatisfied with the grading standard than you give them credit for. They are simply less outspoken. What you interpret as a TPG conspiracy across the board to loosen grading standards is instead a cultural shift among numismatists toward a better implementation of the grading standard. One that is more pragmatic regarding the equivalence of damage and less caught up on the importance of wear for the sake of adhering to outdated standards without any real justification for doing so. One that is also more closely aligned to the grading standards used by other categories of graded collectibles across the board.[/QUOTE]
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