I agree with you assessments. The first one is a contemporary counterfeit which appears like silver plating over a debased alloy of copper or...
Looks OK to me but the edge is a good sign. Based on how they apply the edge design there should be a circle and square overlap 180* apart for...
Don't know much on these types (i.e., predominatly a portrait Carolus III,IV & Ferdinand VII espert) but contemporary counterfeits as you know can...
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