Domitius Domitianus...A Usurper in Alexandria

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  1. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I just won a Diocletian coin to finish out my mini set of GPR's issued by a usurper. I had been looking for one for over a year, so was happy to overpay! :(


    Domitius Domitianus was a usurper in Egypt during the reign of Diocletian. Not much is actually known about this rebellion, even the date is disputed, though RIC gives A.D. 295- 296. Other dates include 296- 297 and 297- 298. There has also been speculation that the rebellion was due in part to the monetary reforms of Diocletian.

    http://www.constantinethegreatcoins.com/Reform/

    Due to the short rule of this usurper, his coins are a bit rare and usually expensive; but one can also get coins struck by Domitianus for the members of the tetrarchy. He actually struck coins in the names of all the rulers at the time-- Diocletian, Maximianus, Constantius I and Galerius [RIC VI Alexandria 18- 21] most likely in an attempt to gain favor and demonstrate that he was not actually rebelling...which did not work so well.:D

    It is easier to find coins of Domitianus online than those he issued in the names of the Tetrarchy, in part due to the fact that coins he issued for other rulers are often not attributed to him. Though RIC rates them as common, they seem a bit rarer.

    These GENIO POPVLI ROMANI have an eagle to the left of Genio and the workshop (three in use at the time-- A B and Γ) is in the right field. Besides the eagle, the left field is empty; while the scarce first issue after the defeat of Domitius has a ✶ over eagle in the left field...maybe after Diocletian retook the city, the old dies were used with the addition over the eagle. Sometimes liquid flows from the patera...on my Diocletian it looks like the eagle is being fed from the patera. Though RIC states the eagles have a wreath in their beak, this is certainly not always the case, as mine are all wreathless.

    Strangely, Domitius is not mentioned in any literary source of the time though he is mentioned is some papyri; but Aurelius Achilleus was written about. Aurelius may have been the corrector, perhaps even commander of the troops for Domitius and possibly even took over leadership after the death of Domitius. If not for the coinage, the name Domitius Domitianus would probably only be little more than a footnote, instead he is still stirring debate and argument (a little) and his name will be remembered-- a usurper who claimed the purple as an Emperor in Alexandria.



    Alexandria_18a.jpg

    Diocletian
    A.D. 295- 296
    26mm 9.2g
    IMP DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; laureate head right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle at feet to left (looks like eagle is "drinking"); Γ in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 18a


    Alexandria_18b.jpg

    Maximianus
    A.D. 295- 296
    24x26mm 10.0gm
    IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; laureate head right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle at feet to left; A in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 18b


    Alexandria_20.jpg

    Domitius Domitianus
    A.D. 295- 296
    24mm 10.8g
    IMP C L DOMITIVS DOMITIANVS AVG; laureate head right.
    GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle to left; A in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 20

    Alexandria_21a.jpg

    Constantius I
    A.D. 295- 296
    26mm 11.7gm
    FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES, laureate head right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI, Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle at feet to left; B in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 21a


    Alexandria_21b.jpg

    Galerius
    A.D. 295-296
    26mm 8.6g
    GAL VAL MAXIMIANVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
    GENIO POPV-LI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle at feet to left; B in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 21b



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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I've been hoping to pick up a Domitius tetradrachm or octodrachm for awhile now. Last one I saw for sale was $8,000 or something like that. Nice selection of coins Victor. It is speculated that Achilleus ruled for a time after Domitius' death, but no coins have been discovered yet. If were one to be found it would be a big deal.
     
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  4. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Wow !
    A most fabulous follis @Victor_Clark, beautiful

    For the time being I will stick to my octadrachm, Emmett plate coin :D

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    Domitius Domitianus, usurpateur en Egypte (296 - 297), octodrachme - Alexandrie, Emmett plate coin
    Octodrachme de l'atelier d'Alexandrie - AD 296-297
    ΔOMITI-ANOC CEB, Buste radié de Domitius à droite
    Serapis allant à droite, branche de palmier dans le champ à gauche, LB dans le champ à droite (2° année de règne)
    12.79 gr
    Ref : Emmett #4241/2 (cet exemplaire) (R1), Kampmann # 126.2, RCV # 12982 (2000),

    Domitius Domitianus, stationed in Egypt, rebelled against Diocletianus in july 296 AD and was proclaimed emperor. He was defeated during spring 297 AD. Diocletian decided to close the alexandrian mint, so the coins of Domitianus are the last provincial coins from Alexandria. Also, Domitianus was the only ruler to strike octadrachms (in parallel with didrachms, tetradrachms and hexadrachms)
    For more information, see : http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Domitius Domitianus

    As far as I know, @TIF has an astounding tetradrachm of his too

    Q
     
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    very kool Victor, congrats! :)
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Great set, Victor! Tagging @Severus Alexander so he won't miss it.

    I do indeed, thanks to my good friend @Cucumbor :D. (He alerted me about the coin).

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitius Domitianus
    RY 2 (297-8 CE)
    potin tetradrachm/hexagram/othergram; 9.56 gm, 23 mm
    Obv: ΔOMITIANOCCEB; laureate head right
    Rev: draped bust of Serapis to right, LB left and palm to right
    Ref: Dattari 6186; Emmett 4242

    Gosh I love that coin :)
     
  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Great coin TIF. I have some great SOLI INVICTO COMITI coins of Constantine that I will trade you for that one.;)
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Great coins all. Congrats on checking a big one off your list @Victor_Clark!
     
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  9. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Thanks...it could have been in my top 10 just for how long I looked for an example.
     
  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Victor, Congrats, that's a wonderful run of nummi :jawdrop:!
     
  11. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    Thanks...this is one of my favorite series.

    some duplicates of Maximianus that I have--

    Alexandria_18b.2.jpg

    Alexandria_18b.3.jpg
     
  12. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    So that was you!! I saw that coin go for big bucks, sorry you had to dig so deep! But super congrats on completing this difficult set. I love the cute eyes-skyward portrait on your new coin - well worth it overall, I'm sure!

    Here are my three:

    DD diocletian.jpg
    Diocletian (ex Dattari)

    DD galerius.jpg
    Galerius

    DD constantius.jpg
    Constantius (ex Dattari)
    I'm not sure I've ever seen a wreath on these!

    Hmm... look at that! And both officina B too! That just happens to be the tetrarch (and officina!) I'm still missing... :shy::shy::shy:

    (
    Thanks, @TIF!!)
     
  13. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    It's the second highest I have paid for one of these, the highest, of course, was the Domitianus...but I have no regrets...my wife however...:)
     
  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Heh.
     
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  16. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I just picked up workshop Γ for Maximianus

    Alexandria_18b_g.jpg

    Maximianus
    A.D. 295- 296
    26mm 9.4g
    IMP C M A MAXIMIANVS P F AVG; laureate head right.
    GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius standing left, modius on head, naked except for chlamys over left shoulder, holding patera and cornucopiae, eagle at feet to left; Γ in right.
    In ex. ALE
    RIC VI Alexandria 18b
     
  17. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Congratulations on completing the set! That's a very interesting write-up.


    I am not focusing on this area and had no idea that coins struck for Diocletian under Domitius Domitianus were scarce. Mine came in a cheap mixed lot a couple of years ago and unfortunately is in wretched condition:

    Rom – Diokletian, Follis, Alexandria (unter Ursurpator).png
    Diocletian (struck under Domitius Domitianus), Roman Empire, AE1 ("follis"), 295–296 AD, Alexandria mint. Obv: IMP C DIOCLETIANVS P F AVG; head of Diocletian, laureate, r. Rev: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI; Genius, wearing modius, nude, chlamys draped over l. shoulder, standing l., holding patera in r. hand and holding cornucopiae in l. hand; at feet to l., eagle holding wreath in its beak; in field r., B; in exergue, ALE. 26mm, 8.96g. Ref: RIC VI Alexandria 18a.
     
  18. Tejas

    Tejas Well-Known Member

    Wow, great coins and great write-up on Domitius Domitianus. I have no hope of ever getting my hands on a coin of Domitianus, especially not in the quality which I am normally after.

    Here is a recent auction win. Its a follis of Constantius I from Alexandria:

    Obv.: FL VAL CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES
    Rev.: GENIO POPVLI ROMANI
    Field: S - BP
    Exergue: ALE
    Mint: Alexandria
    Date: AD 302-303
    Weight: 10.64g, diameter 26mm

    RIC VI 35a.

    I bought the coin for the nice portrait with the curly beard

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  19. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    As I mentioned above...
    ... I'm missing Maximianus from my set of 4 tetrarachs for this DD issue.

    Turns out both @Victor_Clark and I tried to get this coin yesterday. As you can see, he thumped me! :hurting: (Sorry I pushed the bidding up, Victor. :shy:) My disappointment was short-lived, however: being the fine fellow that he is, Victor agreed to sell me one of his duplicates!! :jawdrop: This one:
    So the coin is now on its way to me to complete my set! Not only do I now own a set of all four tetrarchs, but they cover all three officinae too. Bonus!

    CoinTalk Ancients Board people are the best, yes? Thank you so much, Victor!!! You are an awesome guy, and I'm so very grateful. I look forward to seeing all four of these together! :happy:
     
  20. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    You are very welcome and hopefully it will arrive quickly.


    here's all the workshops for Maximianus--

    Alexandria_18b.jpg

    Alexandria_18b.3.jpg

    Alexandria_18b_g.jpg
     
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  21. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Congrats on completing that workshop set! Only 3 more workshop sets to go! :D (Or 4 if you do DD too! :eek:) I am not so ambitious. :shy:

    I should have mentioned that I got the first three within a year, and have been waiting three more to get the Max. So very satisfying. :happy:

    Here's a link to my Imperator entry in 2018 on the Constantius example. I was quite proud of my writeup:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/poll-16-6-jwt708-vs-27-severus-alexander-round-1-cit-2018.321043/
    :shame:
     
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