Nice New Helena. Timeframe minted?

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  1. Andrew McMenamin

    Andrew McMenamin Nerva You Mind

    I am a collector of Constantine I. I also have some nice coins of his family members. I recently purchased a nice Helena (Constantine's Mother) for $35. Here it is:

    HELENA AE FOLLIS HERACLEA 79DELTA.png

    Helena; Æ Follis; Heraclea; Æ19; 3.1
    OBV: FL HELENA AVGVSTA; Diademed, mantled bust r.
    REV: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICE; Securitas stg l., lowering branch with r. hand, raising hem of robe with l.; SMHΔ in ex. RIC VII; HERACLE79Δ; Note: SEAR 16613.

    Does anyone know the timeframe for this issue? Thanks in advance.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

  4. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Ca. 325-6 according to RIC VII p. 551
     
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  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    @Mat , i don't think its tooled. Seems like Helena coins tend to have some very deep furrows and engraving that look tooled, but don't appear to be. Where do you see the traces of tooling?
     
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  6. Andrew McMenamin

    Andrew McMenamin Nerva You Mind

    Thanks. I looked at it under my microscope. It doesn't look tooled to me.
     
  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I don't claim to be an expert in tooling. But just the way the robe engraving on Securitas, hair of Helena, scraping in the field by REIPV.

    It could be just the way it was cleaned after being found.
     
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  8. Andrew McMenamin

    Andrew McMenamin Nerva You Mind

    Thanks. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of RIC VII in my library.
     
  9. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    RIC VII Heraclea 79, R3 p. 551
     
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  10. Andrew McMenamin

    Andrew McMenamin Nerva You Mind

    Thanks seth77
     
  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Portions of the coin have been "smoothed." Ditto the other one. Now, here is the problem...

    IMHO, a large number of ancient coins have been altered in some way, especially those made of bronze. However, a very large number of them are considered to be "market acceptable." Both coins in this thread possibly are "MA." As I'm not an ancient dealer - I cannot say for sure.

    Some things to look for are color changes, smooth areas (w/o pits or roughness found on the rest of the coin), and outlines around the relief.
     
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  12. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Good point, I didn't notice the scrape at first. Tell-tale signal of a "roughing" in the fields.
     
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  13. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Fun OP coin and really dig yours patina Mat! Black patina can be a real pain to photograph.
    Thanks for the shout out!:)
    And good memory:bookworm: I wrote that thread almost a year ago exactly:wideyed:
    Here's my two favs of the saintly mama:
    Screenshot_20200920-094834_PicCollage-removebg-preview.png Collage_2020-10-23_12_31_42-removebg-preview~2.png
     
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